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God's judgement on a pastor!

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Rachel

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Originally posted by RightFromWrong:

When witnessing to people and for those who say they will be in Heaven ( and I KNOW they are not saved ) I ask them well how do you think Heaven will be ? what will you see and experence ? I have yet to have anyone who wasn't saved be able to discribe what they thought Heaven would be like. I then have proceeded to tell them if you are not Glorifying God and enjoying him NOW here on Earth, what makes you think you will want to do so in Heaven ? They will not, plain and simple.
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So true! I say that too.
 
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Aaron

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Originally posted by bruren777:
James 3:1, Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement. NASB

The above scripture applies to pastors and teachers as well as anyone in a leadership role.
The point here is, a pastor in unconfessed sin will receive stricter judgement than a Christian whom is not a pastor, teacher or other leader.
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Luk 12:48 For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Hbr 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
 
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NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Originally posted by Plain Old Bill:
Could it be he was talking about everyone wanting to be a teacher and that it was a heavy responsibility and there is accountability for teaching, first to teach rightly and second I think would be the burning of the stubble(bad teaching being bad fruit).At that time many were wanting to be teachers just to be heard some whether they had anything to teach or not( sound familiar).
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Yes
 
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StraightAndNarrow

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Originally posted by bapmom:
because the unsaved ARE judged by their works, the Great White Throne judgement is only the unsaved people.......the saved are NOT judged BY their works in order to determine salvation.
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Where is the believer's judgement described in the Bible?
 
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RightFromWrong

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Yes Charles Stanely is divorced. His wife left him. She suffered from mental problems I heard. So he never sinned. She left him and he hasn't remarried.
 
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James_Newman

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Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bapmom:
because the unsaved ARE judged by their works, the Great White Throne judgement is only the unsaved people.......the saved are NOT judged BY their works in order to determine salvation.
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Where is the believer's judgement described in the Bible? </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 50?
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by bruren777:
The point here is, a pastor in unconfessed sin will receive stricter judgement than a Christian whom is not a pastor, teacher or other leader.
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That's not what the verse says. It simply says that one who teaches will be judged more strictly. It does not say that one who teaches will receive greater punishment or anything of the like. The context appears to imply that the one who teaches will be held accountable for what he teaches. That's all.
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by bruren777:
Marcia, I heard a pastor, I think it was Greg Laurie, on the radio explain that Christians whom have more works will be in the Mansion in Heaven and Christians with fewer works will be in Heaven, but not in the Mansion.
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Well, there are many mansions. But scriptuer is clear that we will be judged according to our works. Scripture also says many times that there are things we do or don't do that make us not fit for the Kingdom. That doesn't mean we won't enter the kingdom, just that we'll be unfit according to some of the things we do.
 
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RightFromWrong

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Ok now I am confused

How are Christians Pastors or not going to be judged ?

The Bible only talks about loss of rewards. some people are making it sound like something worse is going to happen. Besides not appreciating Heaven to a greater extent and loss of rewards.

What else is going to be worse than that ?
 
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James_Newman

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Originally posted by Johnv:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bruren777:
Marcia, I heard a pastor, I think it was Greg Laurie, on the radio explain that Christians whom have more works will be in the Mansion in Heaven and Christians with fewer works will be in Heaven, but not in the Mansion.
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Well, there are many mansions. But scriptuer is clear that we will be judged according to our works. Scripture also says many times that there are things we do or don't do that make us not fit for the Kingdom. That doesn't mean we won't enter the kingdom, just that we'll be unfit according to some of the things we do. </font>[/QUOTE]Matthew 5:20
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
 
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StraightAndNarrow

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Originally posted by James_Newman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bapmom:
because the unsaved ARE judged by their works, the Great White Throne judgement is only the unsaved people.......the saved are NOT judged BY their works in order to determine salvation.
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Where is the believer's judgement described in the Bible? </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 50? </font>[/QUOTE]Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 50:8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, [to have been] continually before me.
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Well, I've never heard this interpretation before but we still seem to be talking about works (burnt sacrifice).
 
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James_Newman

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Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by James_Newman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StraightAndNarrow:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by bapmom:
because the unsaved ARE judged by their works, the Great White Throne judgement is only the unsaved people.......the saved are NOT judged BY their works in order to determine salvation.
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Where is the believer's judgement described in the Bible? </font>[/QUOTE]Psalm 50? </font>[/QUOTE]Psa 50:5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.

Psa 50:8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, [to have been] continually before me.
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Well, I've never heard this interpretation before but we still seem to be talking about works (burnt sacrifice). </font>[/QUOTE]Absolutely the believer will be judged for works. But the judgment seat of Christ is not the same as the great white throne, only believers who were not able to stand at the judgment seat will be found at the great white throne. Then they will have all their tears wiped away as they enter into eternity with the Lord and the rest of their brethren. The unbelievers will go into the lake of fire. The only way anyone can be reigning with Christ in the millennium is for them to have been judged worthy of receiving the crown, which will occur at the judgment seat.
 
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Johnv

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James_Newman, what do Matthew 5:20 and 7:21 have to do with my post?

As I said, scripture is clear that those who are saved will still be judged according to their works. Scripture also says many times that there are things we do or don't do that make us not fit for the Kingdom. That doesn't mean we won't enter the kingdom, just that we'll be unfit according to some of the things we do.

The verse of the OP does not say that one who teaches will receive greater punishment or anything of the like. It simply says that one who teaches will be judged more strictly. The context appears to imply that the one who teaches will be held accountable for what he teaches. That's all.
 
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James_Newman

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Condemnation, judgment, whatever. If there are no consequences, your 'accountability' is nothing but idle threats.

Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

This verse clearly states that entering the kingdom is conditioned upon doing the will of the Father. How do you get around this?
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by James_Newman:
Condemnation, judgment, whatever.
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Uh, dude, there's a huge difference between judgement and condemnation. Condemnation is a form of judgement(or a result of judgement) but not all judgement is condemnation.
If there are no consequences, your 'accountability' is nothing but idle threats.
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Who said anything about condemnation regarding accountability or consequences???
Matthew 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

This verse clearly states that entering the kingdom is conditioned upon doing the will of the Father. How do you get around this?
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Who said anything about entering the kingdom?

The verse of the OP does not say that one who teaches will receive greater punishment or anything of the like. It simply says that one who teaches will be judged more strictly. The context appears to imply that the one who teaches will be held accountable for what he teaches. That's all. Nothing about entering the kingdom, condemnation, nothing.
 
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Johnv

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Originally posted by El_Guero:
Actually THE OP states:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The point here is, a pastor in unconfessed sin will receive stricter judgement than a Christian whom is not a pastor, teacher or other leader.
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</font>[/QUOTE]But the bible verse of the OP does not say that one who teaches will receive greater punishment or anything of the like. It simply says that one who teaches will be judged more strictly. Big difference.

James 3:1, Let not many of you become teachers, my brethern, knowing that as such we shall incur a stricter judgement.
 
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