God's Wisdom versus Earthly, Sensual, and Demonic Wisdom about Instrumental Music

[Scripture More Accurately]

Now give a few examples of the demonic methods and combinations, and how you know they are such based on the foundation you laid.

There is not enough space left in this thread to begin that discussion. Besides, it is more important to continue the challenge biblically the denial that there are any musical instruments that are the products of earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom.

Without any Bible to support their denial, many Christians deny that there are any musical instruments that are the products of earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom. There must be underlying beliefs that they hold for such denial. Believing such things, they will similarly deny that there are any kinds of instrumental music that are the products of ungodly wisdom.

Where and how does the Bible teach that there are not and cannot be any musical instruments that are not the wisdom of God?

 

[Aaron]

There is not enough space left in this thread to begin that discussion.

Begin a new thread.

 

[Aaron]

Without any Bible to support their denial, many Christians deny that there are any musical instruments that are the products of earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom. There must be underlying beliefs that they hold for such denial. Believing such things, they will similarly deny that there are any kinds of instrumental music that are the products of ungodly wisdom.

So? You can't state your case unless everyone agrees with it?

Imagine if Paul thought that way.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Begin a new thread.

I have already had more than one previous thread on that subject where we have disagreed strongly on many points. I am not sure that another such discussion between us is going to be fruitful.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

So? You can't state your case unless everyone agrees with it?

Imagine if Paul thought that way.

Not at all. I have stated my case on that subject in several previous threads. My interest currently lies more on the subject of this thread.

 

[JesusFan]

He is a VERY devout Christian man. I've known about his dedication to Christ for years.

I remember hearing him say on a radio program once about the classic oldies - "I've just got to stop here a minute. I have to ask, have you read your Bible today? I have."

His ministry to young people that the rest of the world doesn't care about is astonishing. He said of them - "All they know of Jesus Christ is that that name is a curse word."

He was for years addicted to alcohol and other sinful practices, and yet he always stayed faithful to his wife, and that is VERY rare in his rock and roll circles

 

[JesusFan]

I googled up Alice Cooper and this is the AI comment:
Yes, Alice Cooper is a committed Christian. Despite his dark stage persona, he has spoken openly about his faith in Jesus Christ, crediting his faith with saving him from addiction. He is known to read the Bible and pray daily, and he attends a Bible church in Arizona.

His father and Grandfather were Pastors, and His wife father was a Baptist pastor kid, so both were pastors Kids

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I came across this quotation from a guy called Theodoret of Cyrrhus, an eminent Church father who lived in the early 5th Century;

Question; If songs were invented by unbelievers with a purpose of deceiving (Genesis 4;21), and were appointed under the Jewish Law because of the childishness of their minds, why do Christians who have received the perfect teachings of grace (which are quite contrary to pagan and Jewish customs) still sing in churches, like the Jews who were children under the law?
Answer: Simple singing is not childish. What is childish is singing with lifeless organs, dancing, cymbals etc. THerefore we Christians put aside the use of such instruments and other things fit for children, and we retain only simple singing.

I am not saying I agree with all that. It seems a stretch to go from Gen. 4:21 to banning all musical instruments. And how far do we tke that? Do we ban all classical music? Even Handel's Messiah because it uses musical instruments? Or is it just in the church?
But it does help explain why churches tended not to use musical instruments until relatively recently, and why a few churches do not use them today.

 

[Ascetic X]

I came across this quotation from a guy called Theodoret of Cyrrhus, an eminent Church father who lived in the early 5th Century;

Question; If songs were invented by unbelievers with a purpose of deceiving (Genesis 4;21), and were appointed under the Jewish Law because of the childishness of their minds, why do Christians who have received the perfect teachings of grace (which are quite contrary to pagan and Jewish customs) still sing in churches, like the Jews who were children under the law?
Answer: Simple singing is not childish. What is childish is singing with lifeless organs, dancing, cymbals etc. THerefore we Christians put aside the use of such instruments and other things fit for children, and we retain only simple singing.

I am not saying I agree with all that. It seems a stretch to go from Gen. 4:21 to banning all musical instruments. And how far do we tke that? Do we ban all classical music? Even Handel's Messiah because it uses musical instruments? Or is it just in the church?
But it does help explain why churches tended not to use musical instruments until relatively recently, and why a few churches do not use them today.

I came across an historical detail that in olden days when churches could not afford to buy a piano or organ, they tried to save face by preaching against musical instruments, and mandating a cappella singing.

Instruments tend to make singing easier. It seems ridiculous to claim that if elements of worship are not explicitly specified and commanded in the New Testament, then they must necessarily be forbidden.

I am not a fan of loud rock concerts in church, but to prohibit all musical instruments seems barbaric.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I came across an historical detail that in olden days when churches could not afford to buy a piano or organ, they tried to save face by preaching against musical instruments, and mandating a cappella singing.

Instruments tend to make singing easier. It seems ridiculous to claim that if elements of worship are not explicitly specified and commanded in the New Testament, then they must necessarily be forbidden.

I am not a fan of loud rock concerts in church, but to prohibit all musical instruments seems barbaric.

You may well be right; I don't know the answer.
I agree with you that banning all musical instruments sounds a bit like overkill.