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God's Wisdom versus Earthly, Sensual, and Demonic Wisdom about Instrumental Music

Is there earthly, sensual, and demonic wisdom about instrumental music?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 66.7%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Unsure

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • Total voters
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Aaron

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Not everything that was in the OT has been cancelled in the NT. Many things in the OT were not part of the Old Covenant that has been done away in Christ.
If one jot or tittle has passed, then all has been fulfilled. Matt. 5:18. You look in vain for the restoral of the Jewish priesthood, the temple, and the sacrifices.

Their deed to the land has expired, as has their religion.

What is going on now in the Middle East with the state falsely called Israel, is antichrist.

But that's another debate.

No, musical instruments were not just used "in the temple service to accompany the animal sacrifices."
Here you go again. I didn't say "just".


The NT explicitly speaks of the use of trumpets in synagogues:

Matthew 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Jesus was not prohibiting all uses of trumpets in synagogues; He only prohibited using them as the hypocrites did in the synagogues. Although what Jesus said in this statement does not definitively establish that they were used in the worship in the synagogues, it does show that there were trumpets used in the synagogues and therefore raises the question of what the righteous did with them in the synagogues.
But they weren't used in worship or to accompany singing. Trumpets were used to signal, to draw attention. Not to play songs.

Most importantly, Jesus taught His disciples to pray that God's will would be done in earth as it is in heaven.
There's no marriage in heaven, dude. Matt. 22:30 Everything that follows from your faulty premise is a non sequitor.

Explicit NT statements teach that musical instruments are used in the worship of heaven and that such use of musical instruments was discernible by a godly human to be sounds that were recognizable to him as the playing of musical instruments that he was familiar with.

With heavenly worship as our pattern and with commands to use musical instruments that were not part of the Old Covenant, the use of musical instruments in worship is fully biblically warranted for NT Christians.
You have a very puerile understanding of the Scriptures.
 

Scripture More Accurately

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You're not reading what is written. You're reading into things to confirm your bias. We aren't talking about singing. We are talking about the making of music machines. And it isn't that they weren't mentioned earlier, it's who is identified as the father of all those who handled music machines, and the instructor of all those who fashioned brass and iron into tools and instruments.

This was in the antediluvian era, and much of the knowledge perished with that line which was of Cain. But as the population grew and began to specialize again, the knowledge was rediscovered...obviously.



See above.

Where did they come from? Did harps grow on trees? Did they find organs washed up on the shore?

Given in the law, which was only a pattern of the true things. They weren't made for playing songs. They were made for signaling calls to worship and alarms. They were not used in worship.
No, you are wrong. Jubal is not said to be the father of all those who handle all musical instruments---he is only stated to be the originator in some way of handling two of them (harp and organ). The text does not establish anything about there not being any musical instruments prior to that point.

In addition, the text does not say anything about his instructing those who fashioned brass and iron into musical instruments; you are reading that into the text. Tubalcain was the one who instructed people about making things of brass and iron, and the passage does not say anything about any people's making instruments out of brass and iron.

Gen. 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

As for where musical instruments came from, God certainly could have provided Adam and Eve (or any of their descendants who was a righteous person) with musical instruments of His making, just as He clothed them with coats of skin that neither of them made. Alternatively, He could have clearly directed them exactly what to make and how to make it, just as He did much later with the Israelites and the silver trumpets.

You are also wrong about the silver trumpets not being used in worship:

Numbers 10:10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.
 
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