One of the best things about the end times is that not a single one of us knows when it will happen nor can we change any thing about it. Many have proclaimed the end with great certainty in times past but all have missed the mark. God knows but no one else does. Maybe we can see some signs that the time is coming but then, for sure, with every day it is. Regardless, our own personal end is a sure thing and it will likely snatch us up when we least expect it. It matters not! If we die then that's fine. If we see the rapture then that's also fine. I'm just glad that in the Lord always wins and we're secure in the salvation He has provided us. In the mean time we have to live - work, eat, sleep, suffer, rejoice, etc. - where we've been placed - on earth in our present body - while knowing that the end will come and with it peace at last in eternity with Him.
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Gog and Magog Are Beginning to.....
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C4K said:
There you have it! Likewise, Paul said that he was living in the last days. We are living in the last days too. The word tells us to be watchful and waiting for the Lord's return, which will be in the same way that he ascended into heaven. The word does not tell us to get caught up in the worries of wars and rumors of wars etc.
Amen!!!
He is coming, and He is coming soon, so keep your eyes on the Eastern Sky, and don't harden your heart and make yourself deaf to the hints of those trumpets warming up, or you may miss the final trumpet call, and the beauty of being caught up in the sky as the greatest airlift that humankind has ever known [believers will only know the joy of that airlift, as well as see and hear it's glorious coming].
Marantha....
Pastor Paul
It is factual that we've all been living in the last days, and we need to live "alive" for Him, because He is coming like a thief in the night. I do not trust newspaper headlines to tell me when He is coming, but, I look at the headlines, as well as the small articles buried deep in the paper, to see that Bible prophesy is being unfolded right before our eyes.Bible-boy said:
He is coming, and He is coming soon, so keep your eyes on the Eastern Sky, and don't harden your heart and make yourself deaf to the hints of those trumpets warming up, or you may miss the final trumpet call, and the beauty of being caught up in the sky as the greatest airlift that humankind has ever known [believers will only know the joy of that airlift, as well as see and hear it's glorious coming].
Marantha....
Pastor Paul
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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righteousdude2 said:
The wonderful thing about waiting without signs is that I have expected his return every day since the 12 Feb 1974 and will look just as forward to it tomorrow (or even tonight)!!. Headlines are meaningless when I read, "Why stand you here waiting? He is coming back just like he left!"
C4K said:
I do nto think that anyone who notices the signs of the times are just standing around waiting.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Revmitchell said:
Where did you get that from my post????
MY point is that is all we need, not tomorrow's newspaper.
C4K said:
"Headlines are meaningless when I read, "Why stand you here waiting? He is coming back just like he left!"
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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It takes some mighty hard digging to find offence in that 
.
Regardless - I am thankful that I have never had to look at the newspapers to be get excited about my Saviour's anytime return!! Guessing who Gog and Magog are has never appealed to me - the Word of God is sufficient.
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
. Regardless - I am thankful that I have never had to look at the newspapers to be get excited about my Saviour's anytime return!! Guessing who Gog and Magog are has never appealed to me - the Word of God is sufficient.
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
C4K said:It takes some mighty hard digging to find offence in that
Regardless - I am thankful that I have never had to look at the newspapers to be get excited about my Saviour's anytime return!! Guessing who Gog and Magog are has never appealed to me - the Word of God is sufficient.
Even so, come Lord Jesus!
I did not say I was offended.
righteousdude2 said:
Brother Paul,
I have to disagree with you on one point here. No born again believer, who is waiting and watchful, is going to "miss the final trumpet call, and the beauty of being caught up in the sky..." regardless of whether or not they are into trying to figure out end-times prophecy.
That caught my eye also...
It is like saying that unless you watch headlines, you won't go when the trumpet blows...
Jesus knows where I am, and when he comes, I'll go...
I don't buy into this "prophecy is fulfilling everyday"...
Show me in the Bible where a prophecy is being fulfilled by Russia attacking Georgia...
Show me in the Bible where China fulfilled Prophecy by staging a great light show...
But I hear it everyday.. "Jesus is coming back, the signs are all around us"...
Yep, and have been for 2000 yrs...
Just because something happens on the world stage does not a prophecy fullfilled make.
Show me what prophecies must be fulfilled before Jesus can appear in the Rapture.
What is going to be amazing is if Israel gets wiped off the map. How is the headline prophets going to interpret that.
And don't say it can't happen...
It happend in 70 AD.. it can happen again.
Paul expected Jesus before it happened in 70AD, John expected Jesus after it happened (95 AD ish)
The point is, neither Paul or John was looking for "signs"...
They had the promise of Christ to hold onto...
I will not go down the warped path Hagee, van Impe, and others have went and made fools of themselves.
Jesus said he is coming back... He will be back.
It is up to us to live the life here....
When he gets back, we will not be ashamed.
It is like saying that unless you watch headlines, you won't go when the trumpet blows...
Jesus knows where I am, and when he comes, I'll go...
I don't buy into this "prophecy is fulfilling everyday"...
Show me in the Bible where a prophecy is being fulfilled by Russia attacking Georgia...
Show me in the Bible where China fulfilled Prophecy by staging a great light show...
But I hear it everyday.. "Jesus is coming back, the signs are all around us"...
Yep, and have been for 2000 yrs...
Just because something happens on the world stage does not a prophecy fullfilled make.
Show me what prophecies must be fulfilled before Jesus can appear in the Rapture.
What is going to be amazing is if Israel gets wiped off the map. How is the headline prophets going to interpret that.
And don't say it can't happen...
It happend in 70 AD.. it can happen again.
Paul expected Jesus before it happened in 70AD, John expected Jesus after it happened (95 AD ish)
The point is, neither Paul or John was looking for "signs"...
They had the promise of Christ to hold onto...
I will not go down the warped path Hagee, van Impe, and others have went and made fools of themselves.
Jesus said he is coming back... He will be back.
It is up to us to live the life here....
When he gets back, we will not be ashamed.
KenH
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C4K said:
A Zager and Evans fan?
You comment reminded me of the lyrics to one of my favorite songs during my teenage years, "In the Year 2525":In the year 7510
If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again
- www.metrolyrics.com/in-the-year-2525-lyrics-zager-and-evans.html
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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KenH said:A Zager and Evans fan?
In the year 7510
If God's a-comin' he ought to make it by then
Maybe he'll look around himself and say
Guess it's time for the Judgement day
In the year 8510
God is gonna shake his mighty head
He'll either say I'm pleased where man has been
Or tear it down and start again
- www.metrolyrics.com/in-the-year-2525-lyrics-zager-and-evans.html
Uh-oh, someone caught me
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Isn't it amazing that when you read Scripture and it gives you
a hint of when certain events (like certain wars) are bound to
occur, everyone jumps on the bandwagon and does a rain dance -
doesn't anyone heed Bible prophecy or take note of clear references
to the Tribulation period? Most churches and their leaders are
totally clueless as to Biblical Prophecy - they are allergic to the
Book of Revelation and they think the OT prophets are passe -
yet -
2 Peter 1:19 - And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
and
Revelation 1:3 - Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Seeing definite clues in the Bible when certain things are going
to occur (and I'm definitely not talking about the rapture or
definite date setting, but when the Bible tells me the Kings of the East will march over the dried up riverbed of the Euphrates after the 6th bowl judgment - I know it's in the 2nd half of the tribulation, and I believe it.I wouldn't dream of date setting though - that's totally unscriptural, and there have been many false prophets in the past who have done that - the rapture is a signless event - it's imminent - can happen at any moment, but when world events start building up and taking shape for a one world government, one world religion, etc - as they have never done before - then you know things
are coming to a head - and you look up, because your redemption is drawing near, but of course, you still don't know the date, eh?
Seeing certain things happening in the world today makes me both excited and sad. Excited that I'll be going home, and sad to leave my loved ones behind who aren't saved.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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Goldie said:
You don't KNOW this things are happening because you are trying to interpret new events to fit your perspective. This was HUGE back in the 70s when 'world events start building up and taking shape for a one world government, one world religion, etc - as they have never done before' and yet here we are 35 years later.
I am excited every day that the Lord may return. Newspaper eschatology may be fun, and it may work out right one of these times, but we cannot pin our hopes to CNN or Fox. God's word is sufficient without them.
betterthanideserve
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No signs needed? or Helpful? How about Matthew 16:3?C4K said:
And I quote"And in the morning,It will be foul weather to day;for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites,ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" and then verse 4.........
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;and there shall be no sign given unto it,but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them and departed.
If I read this correctly we are to look for signs, 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 clarifies it even more!
1 But of the times and seasons, brethren,ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord cometh as a theif in the night.
3 For when they shall say Peace and saftey; then sudden destruction cometh upon them,as travail upon a woman with child;and they shall not escape.
4 BUT YE, BRETHREN, ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVER TAKE YOU AS A THIEF. [emphasis mine]
Apparently those (many anyway) who abhor date-setting, want to apply that same logic to those who see prophecy being fulfilled.
Big difference though - seeing the "one world gov't" beginning to hatch ain't the same as saying "the rapture will occur on Nov 10th 2013".
Big difference though - seeing the "one world gov't" beginning to hatch ain't the same as saying "the rapture will occur on Nov 10th 2013".
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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But things like "The one world government is beginning to hatch" could have applied to Roman Empire, the Holy Empire, the Congress of Vienna, The League of Nations, etc etc.
When we say things like "Gog and Magog refer to Russia and Iran and they have never before come together," are we not saying that imminence was not possible until now?
These kind of eschatology is guesswork since the Bible never defines Gog and Magog as Russia and Iran. Back in the 70s everyone was sure that the referred to a new union between Russia and Germany.
We don't need sensationalism to look for His return.
When we say things like "Gog and Magog refer to Russia and Iran and they have never before come together," are we not saying that imminence was not possible until now?
These kind of eschatology is guesswork since the Bible never defines Gog and Magog as Russia and Iran. Back in the 70s everyone was sure that the referred to a new union between Russia and Germany.
We don't need sensationalism to look for His return.