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Yes, that would be an incredibly smart move from a tactical point of view.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
I say nuke Mecca.
So, you believe our "evil" dictator is just trying to attack a nice law abiding nation with zilch connections to terrorism. OOOOKAAAAAAY.Originally posted by KenH:
Oil is much better used to create liquid energy than in being used to generate electricity. Nuclear power is much better being used to generate electricity than oil.
Iran has signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty and has not violated that agreement.
- Congressman Ron PaulOriginally posted by KenH:
"At the end of the Cold War, the neoconservatives realized a rearrangement of the world was occurring and that our superior economic and military power offered them a perfect opportunity to control the process of remaking the Middle East."
Just because I strongly oppose an action of my government (most actions of this particular administration) does not absolve me from responsibility. This country is mine every bit as much as it is yours - thus the "we".Originally posted by Daisy:
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Wow. Might be time to put aside the personal agendas and deal with the here and now. And Daisy...whats this 'we' business?
I suspect you'd be the last to defend yourself or any other in this land.
Would their having a nuclear weapon disrupt your life? Would our attacking them to pre-empt their getting one disrupt your life?It is never a good time to use Nuclear warheads. Potentially, we could see the end of the world. So if we are there, we better be prepared to meet our maker. However, nuclear weapons are deterrents, and are only going to deter something if they are used.
I dont know what Iran is doing and frankly, I DONT CARE. I shall keep living my life in the way that I do now, until they disrupt it, and then they will suffer those consequences. There are millions of people out here that feel the same way.
This thread is not about one boastful press statement, it is about some US military advisors being disturbed that the White House will not take nuking Iran off the table.One boastful press statement doesnt make us cower or change the way we live. But it sure changes theirs, doesnt it?
Ron Paul makes sense more often than any member of Congress or the Bush administration. He has been spot on about the neoconservatives and the damage that they have wrought on America - domestically and internationally.Originally posted by NiteShift:
Ron Paul makes sense some of the time
I feel my commentary is far more responisble than your own and I stand by it. Our freedom to criticize our government is one of our hallmark freedoms - use it or lose it.Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
You might want to be a tad more responsible in your commentary then,...
I lack respect for such beliefs.... seeing as how what we say on the internet is often the footprint of their nonsense, which in time leads to action on their part.
This thread is about Iran - they have not attacked us. Iraq did not attack us, either - we attacked them. Afghanistan didn't actually attack us but they harbored the ones who did.If you want them to stop attacking or threatening to do so, then stop acting like individuals and more like a country.
Good - this is supposedly the land of the free.Nobody is advocating that you have to toe the party line, but a little division is considered weakness.
Not in the least - only the insecure are worried about that. We are the world's only superpower and you're worried we may appear weak??? As compared to whom?Oh wait, I forgot to ask...do you even care about that?
We have met the enemy and ....Yeah Im all about questioning authority,[*** yeah, right ***] Im all about making sure everyone is following the rules,[*** that one I believe ***] and Im all about free speech.[*** as long as you say the right thing ***] But what I am mostly all about is keeping those who want all those particular liberties to cease, far far away from any and all of us.
They don't have a nuclear weapon; we do.Their having a nuclear weapon disrupt my life...to some extent. But I rest easy with the knowledge that they know little of that which they threaten. We arent there yet. But we can go there if they want to. Hence, I am not worried. But if you are, I am sure someone could build you a bomb shelter or something, although I dont think itll really help.
That seems to be their message to us. They're saying that if they had a nuclear weapon, we would think twice before invading them as we did Iraq.The bottom line is, I know who I am, I know where I came from, and I am certain of where it is that I will go when this life is all over. I am prepared to meet my maker. But they should know that it isnt up to them to arrange that meeting.
Wrong, a lot of us are going to worry that we seem to be on our way there. We don't have "a" plan, we have many plans, one of which seems to be to nuke Iran.Still dont care about chicken little news reports. Nobody is going to worry about that till we get there, but you should rest easy knowing we have a plan. Not a plan for a plan.
Is there a point to this tirade other than to express your personal distain for me?Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
OH of course you do Daisy...youre so smart AND share such important details such as newspaper articles written by halfwit journalists! I just dont know how the country survived before you came along!!!
You seem to be saying that I support what I am against? I can't quite make it out....I see youve tweaked your skill of splitting hairs again where you are so firm on your stance of being the other side, that you cant wrap your mind around the fact that you are essentially saying you believe the same thing as those you are arguing against.
If one of those plans included strategic nuclear bombing of Canada, then yes, that would really bother me a lot. So far, I have not heard of any such plan being on the table."A plan" or many, it matters none. We have a plan to protect ourselves against an invasion from Canada too, that must really bother you since your a lot closer to that border than I.
There seems to be no middle ground in your world view - either support the president absolutely and voice no dissent on any of his policies or support al Qaeda absolutely. I flatly reject such a false dilemna.The land of the free to divide I guess. Well at least everyone is clear where youll be standing. So what does your prayer rug look like?
If you had actually read the OP you would know that this thread is about one plan to nuke Iran to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon of their own and whether that is a good idea or not. So far, most the posters have agreed that by and large it is not and have discussed the reasons for their opinions in a civil manner.If we have all the nuclear weaponry...then what is all this silly posting about?
So far, you are the first poster here to pose that possibility; I daresay you will be the last.Sigh. Such drama for nothing I guess. Shows over folks, you can all go home now. Or this is the segway to the next entry by the crazies...the US will nuke its own people!!! AHHH RUN AWAY!!
If you would take the time to read the OP and the accompanying links, then perhaps you would understand what this discussion is about (perhaps not).In case you missed it, Iran can say anything it wants and surely has up to now...Im sure most of us wont be loosing sleep over it. So if you are so gladly posting about many plans, then whats the beef?
You seem to be equating, erroneously, defending a position with insulting other people.Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
Apparently you wouldnt know that, spending so much time defending your position. Heal thyself physician.
Good - you actually did read it once then? And yet you still missed the actual subject... (remember, your posts are still right there; everyone still read what you wrote before)I dont have to re-read the original post.
Hm, I wonder - your comments indicate otherwise.I get it.
Whatever what theory is?By page 2 you have already decided whatever the theory is, you're against it.
Uh-huh...Isn't that what I already said in the post just before? To wit: "If you had actually read the OP you would know that this thread is about one plan to nuke Iran to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon of their own and whether that is a good idea or not. So far, most the posters have agreed that by and large it is not and have discussed the reasons for their opinions in a civil manner."Good for you, take a stand. But you should prob put down your itty sword and spear for a minute to figure out that people agree with you. No nukes. Not even for Iran.
The OP was posted nearly 2 weeks ago and page 2 ended nearly a week ago - plenty of time for you to have chimed in.You usually have it all dissected by the time I get time to sit down and read it. Ah the drawbacks to being 6 hours behind.
Do you ever read any of the links? If not, how can you dismiss them out of hand when you are totally ignorant of what is in them?If I was a proper American koolaid drinker, I guess I could just read what you post, with your effective linkies and swallow hard. Not ever gonna happen.
Since you claim to have actually read this thread, you are already aware that no one said they would, so that seems a gratuitous comment at best.But nonetheless, nobody in their proper senses would ever just lob a D5 and a random middle Eastern country just for kicks.
Well, I think that is where it gets interesting: Iran claims it wants a nuclear weapon precisely for the deterrent effect it would have on us. They would seem to have a point, the same point you have just made. What do you think of that idea?As people have mentioned before, the threat is often sufficient enough.
That doesn't follow.Apparently you cant live with that.
I suspect it is you who is insomniac. Please get some sleep.Do you sleep at night?
Thank you.Well youre always good for a laugh, even 6 hours behind East coast time.
Well, that would sure put an end to civil wars and local disputes as all of the Moslem world, as well as all who need their oil, would unite against us. Far from driving them out of business, it would drive the liberal & moderate Moslems to join the extremists.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Nuking Mecca isn't a far fetched idea. The effect would be devastating on all those who want to send us all back to the stone age under the banner of allah akbar, because they are very, very superstitious. We wouldn't even have to use nukes, just a daisy cutter on the black rock idol there. The ripple effect throughout the arab world, i.e., mullahs and imams, would drive them out of business from having such captive audiences every Friday. Terrorism based on the black rock would be out of business.