GOP healthcare plan

[Happy]

See if you can get Paul Ryan & family to pay it all back then.

I don't keep tabs on P. Ryan or know what your reference pertains to.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Deacon said:
So what happens if Republicans can't agree on a plan?
... 0bamaCare will die of natural causes.
It's been on life support for the past 3 years.


1. Low enrollment – estimates show that less than half of the young and healthy have signed on to the plan - this was the key to low cost insurance coverage.
2. Lost doctors – forced use of offensive electronic medical systems and low compensation has discouraged physician participation
3. Lost plans – insurers have found the plans cost more than they expected and are dropping out.
4. Higher deductibles - coverage allows for limited number of doctor visits before a high-deductible co-pay ($6000/family) kicks in.
5. Higher premiums – the high deductible plans force the poor to pay for plans offering quite limited coverage.
6. Politically applied exemptions abound -> deferred penalties (strange how the increased penalty didn't kick in until 0bama left wasn't it), exemptions to high cost union plans etc.
7. Broken promises.

June 15, 2009 "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what." “…the only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

The plan will save families up to $2,500 in premiums per year under this health care overhaul.​

Rob

Yea well I will admit that BO is a liar but to say the program is bankrupt?!?

Wouldn't you agree that the Republicans should have been proactive in anticipation of the collapse, had a formative & affordable program waiting in the wings in retaliation?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't keep tabs on P. Ryan or know what your reference pertains to.

He was a government handout retriever for years as was his family. And most of his college edu was paid for via entitlements.

 

[Happy]

So then, we have established an exception to the
rule?

If one exception is permissible is it not possible there are other permissible exceptions?

There is documentation of intent of the US Constitution. Servants were never given carte blanc to willy nilly do what they feel like. Providing for compensation for the "servants", administrative or military was not an "exception", it was the intent. Providing for the public at large was intended to be provisions that affected ALL, not "particulars" or "special" or "few" or "many" and "law makers" jump outside of the boundaries and "pretend" they have been given the authority to make laws based on "their" ideas and feelings.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Deacon said:
So what happens if Republicans can't agree on a plan?
... 0bamaCare will die of natural causes.
It's been on life support for the past 3 years.


1. Low enrollment – estimates show that less than half of the young and healthy have signed on to the plan - this was the key to low cost insurance coverage.
2. Lost doctors – forced use of offensive electronic medical systems and low compensation has discouraged physician participation
3. Lost plans – insurers have found the plans cost more than they expected and are dropping out.
4. Higher deductibles - coverage allows for limited number of doctor visits before a high-deductible co-pay ($6000/family) kicks in.
5. Higher premiums – the high deductible plans force the poor to pay for plans offering quite limited coverage.
6. Politically applied exemptions abound -> deferred penalties (strange how the increased penalty didn't kick in until 0bama left wasn't it), exemptions to high cost union plans etc.
7. Broken promises.

June 15, 2009 "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what." “…the only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

The plan will save families up to $2,500 in premiums per year under this health care overhaul.​

Rob

See Rob, stuff like this bothers me though.....especially a wife who is going through cancer treatments & has blood clot problems.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbo-report-says-14-million-more-would-be-uninsured-by-2018/

 

[Deacon]

Hospitals can't turn away the sick.
Truth is... the health care plan covers the hospitals - not the patients.

The best medicine isn't insurance but education.

Rob

 

[TCassidy]

There is documentation of intent of the US Constitution. Servants were never given carte blanc to willy nilly do what they feel like. Providing for compensation for the "servants", administrative or military was not an "exception", it was the intent. Providing for the public at large was intended to be provisions that affected ALL, not "particulars" or "special" or "few" or "many" and "law makers" jump outside of the boundaries and "pretend" they have been given the authority to make laws based on "their" ideas and feelings.

You don't address the issue. I receive compensation from the US government every month.

You say that which I receive "the government had to first TAKE, BRIBE, STEAL from an other who EARNED it."

And by taking that compensation I "deprive a man of; his own wealth, he earned."

So, either some such compensation is just, or you just accused me of stealing what another person has earned."

So, if you don't think I am a thief to accept my disability compensation, which you say you don't, then the question remains unanswered, "if there is one exception, are there other exceptions where it is both moral and ethical to accept compensation paid, in some small way, by those who earned it?

If so, then let's look at other exceptions and discuss how to best take care of those in need without bankrupting those who earned it.

 

[TCassidy]

Did I say that?

I didn't say you said it. I asked you a question. You said

Yea I know but tell that to those with cancer that are at risk.

when I said it was the truth.

So, the question remains, what do you propose that is better for everyone than just telling the truth?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Hospitals can't turn away the sick.
Truth is... the health care plan covers the hospitals - not the patients.

The best medicine isn't insurance but education.

Rob

Hospitals can't turn away the sick.
Truth is... the health care plan covers the hospitals - not the patients.

The best medicine isn't insurance but education.

Rob

Education...what do you mean? Perhaps you mean preventative medication....but I'm not sure....could you please advise?

I didn't say you said it. I asked you a question. You said when I said it was the truth.

So, the question remains, what do you propose that is better for everyone than just telling the truth?

 

[HankD]

Crooks always hide evidence.

Innocent until proven guilty.

HankD

 

[Happy]

You don't address the issue. I receive compensation from the US government every month.

You say that which I receive "the government had to first TAKE, BRIBE, STEAL from an other who EARNED it."

And by taking that compensation I "deprive a man of; his own wealth, he earned."

So, either some such compensation is just, or you just accused me of stealing what another person has earned."

So, if you don't think I am a thief to accept my disability compensation, which you say you don't, then the question remains unanswered, "if there is one exception, are there other exceptions where it is both moral and ethical to accept compensation paid, in some small way, by those who earned it?

If so, then let's look at other exceptions and discuss how to best take care of those in need without bankrupting those who earned it.

You say that which I receive "the government had to first TAKE, BRIBE, STEAL from an other who EARNED it."

That is the case in numerous situations.
I already pointed out Constitutional provisions that apply to the military.
You claim the military provision applies to you.
And? So why are you pressing a moot point?

If so, then let's look at other exceptions and discuss how to best take care of those in need without bankrupting those who earned it.

What do you mean "take care".... of "those" in "need"?

Who should do the "taking care"?
Who are those "in need"?
And why are those "whoever they are", in need?

 

[Happy]

Crooks always hide evidence.

LOL ~ so do people hide things, when they are not crooks.

 

[Happy]

I thought it was modeled after Romny care?

Romney, Hilly & Barry were all in a race of sorts. A hope for a star on their forehead. Romney actually put together and put into effect a state health care bill. The politicos spy on each other for ideas. Even the queen of misspeak tried to soften her home media debacle by deflecting to Powell's home server.

 

[TCassidy]

You say that which I receive "the government had to first TAKE, BRIBE, STEAL from an other who EARNED it."

I didn't say that. You did.

I already pointed out Constitutional provisions that apply to the military.

There are no "Constitutional provisions" that even require a standing (and thus paid) army.

You claim the military provision applies to you.

There is no "military provision." What ARTICLE I, SECTION 8, CLAUSE 12 actually says is "The Congress shall have Power To ...raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years...." I served over 50 years ago. I think my appropriation ran out a long, long time ago.

And? So why are you pressing a moot point?

I am trying to get you to see that the point is not moot, nor is all such support unethical or immoral.

What do you mean "take care".... of "those" in "need"?

I mean to "take care of those in need."

Who should do the "taking care"?

Whoever can.

Who are those "in need"?

Those with a need.

And why are those "whoever they are", in need?

For whatever reason.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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