What is your definition of murder?
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Government murder
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Silverhair
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The Lord does not call us to respect those that disregard the law and act as dictators.
When I was in the Air Force we were told we must respect the rank but the man had to earn our respect. By his actions he has earned disrespect. You and @canadyjd should be upset that he has brought that disrespect to that office but your blind spot seems to make that impossible.
Until you and @canadyjd brought it up i had not even thought about it. So it seems you two held that view in your unconscious minds.
No disrespect meant on my part. Just did not want to use his full name.
2Pe 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you,
2Pe 2:7 and if He rescued Lot, a righteous man distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
2Pe 2:8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
2Pe 2:9 if all this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
2Pe 2:12 These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.
2Pe 2:13 The harm they will suffer is the wages of their wickedness. They consider it a pleasure to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deception as they feast with you.
2Pe 2:14 Their eyes are full of adultery; their desire for sin is never satisfied; they seduce the unstable. They are accursed children with hearts trained in greed.
Not speaking of government but rather the actions of men who choose to do as they wish,
Still find it odd that you are more concerned about that then you are by his actions.
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Silverhair
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As I said I did not even think about mocking him just did not use his full name.
But what I do find surprising is how many on here get upset about that but then just accept the actions he has taken.
You need to look at your priorities.
Ben1445
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Really?
Sounds like you have a case of we ought to obey the air force rather than God.
Not held it, heard it, over and over and over.
Since you now know it is offensive, kindly change it for the sake of your Christian brothers and the testimony of Christ.
2 Peter 2:10
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
It’s no wonder that you missed it. You know that there is a reason that governments are called governments. Yes, it’s the same word.
They despise the laws and the rules, People telling them how to behave.
They speak evil of those who represent the rules.
You despise the government of the BB which calls for respect for positions of authority.
I have had my own posts flagged and edited for referencing the fact that people are disrespectful.
You should be allowed to be disrespectful but I should not be able to quote it? (This is my personal experience on the BB)
I don’t know if the President is a Christian or not. But you claim to be. That is what is concerning.
Ben1445
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EWF is not supporting the President here. Read it again carefully. He is talking to you, and he is right.
Silverhair
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Well unless you are calling him the Lords anointed I do not see that he deserves respect. The person has to earn respect and he has not.
As I said the person has to earn respect. He is not the office and to be frank he does not seem to have any respect for the office he has been given or for the people that put him there.
Perhaps because people do not respect the man because he does not show respect for the office.
I find it odd that you refer to the testimony of Christ in regard to how I referred to him but do not seem to be offended by his actions which if he is a Christian as he claims does harm to the testimony of Christ on the world stage.
The over all context is not in reference to government but rather to spiritual authority.
In other words how man wants to lives as he chooses and ignoring the will of God.
Odd I have respect for the office but as I said the person has to earn respect. He has not done that.
As a Christian we are called to point out sin and evil actions. Can you honestly say that he has not acted that way?
His whole time in office has just been one questionable action after another.
I cannot respect a man that shows so little respect for his office, the law or his fellow man.
KevinThrowe
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Sadly that is a much opened question in this application I would say to end a life without due process. That of course leave open the concept of who determines due process. As we see some say a man in charge saying so is good enough. I was hoping the conversation would stay on the OP , where is the divide, in the Germany of the 30’s and 40’s there was a long spectrum. The guards who did things , soldiers following orders, scientists creating death, workers doing part. Supporters knowing what was going on . Thru ignorantly of what was going on workers, to the ones who spoke out to the actively trying to stop the bad acts, this spectrum is coming up,in this America. I like to think I am helping some people getting saved before it is too late. I recall that God whipped out all people for their actions.
atpollard
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Is "driving a speedboat full of drugs" and "being Jewish, gay or mentally ill in Germany" (both grounds to be killed by the military) really a reasonable equivalence? I think "genocide" is "Jumping the Shark".
KevinThrowe
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It is more a question of shared guilt. Sins of a nation must have some bearing on the souls of the people of that nation. Consider the spectrum; the guards who shoot the prisoners of all the “unacceptable “ groups , the guards pushing “unacceptables” into gas chambers. Soldiers obeying orders, engineers and scientists creating weapons and experiments, the workers who knew and approved of the “final solution” the workers say butchers who had zero idea of what Germany was doing in the war, to those who spoke out and were killed. The Germans who left due to knowledge of actions to the people sacrificing to physically end the Nazi machine. I don’t want most Americans to be on the wrong side of that divide.
Ben1445
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Tell him then. You suppose he is a Christian ? Tell him. Don’t sit around and gripe about him.
You show no respect to him, your fellow man. You are a hypocrite.
Silverhair
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Has he shown any values that would indicate that he is a Christian?
Doubt that a letter from me would actually reach him.
He has not earned my respect but the question you should ask yourself is why do you respect him? Has he shown any respect for the office that he holds?
He was chosen by the people to hold that office and he has shown the world he is not worthy to be there.
Contempt for other sovereign nations and thinking he can deal away or just claim other nations land is the height of hubris.
How is being honest being a hypocrite Ben? Did you respect Biden or Obama for their stand on gay trans rights and abortion?
Look in the mirror Ben.
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Ben1445
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I don’t evaluate him. He doesn’t belong to my church. I’m not his God.
You could try.
I didn’t see respect as a qualification treating dignitaries properly.
We don’t have the same definition of respect.
That is your opinion.
That is your opinion. It has no bearing on the behavior of a Christian.
The Trump haters have already told you and you don’t listen to them.
It also opens the question of what exactly is due process. Is the determination of harm to my citizens by another nation considered to be due process? Is it due process to kill someone in war because you were commanded to by your government? Are governments allowed to punish evil-doing governments?
Gen. 9:6 mandates the death penalty for murder. So, should all of our soldiers who went to Venezuela as commanded be executed?
Silverhair
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Ben the end result is that you will defend him and say we should respect him because he holds that office.
I on the other hand say that I respect the rank/office but the person in that position has to earn respect. It does not come with the rank/office.
Did I say he did anything other than what he has done? His actions do not warrant respect. You are free to disagree but that does not change what he did or has said he wants to do.
Have I said he should not be treated as the office requires NO. But that is a great deal different than respecting the man. You seem to have conflated the two ideas.
canadyjd
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He has made a public profession of faith that Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior (literally mentioning the name of Jesus). Very few politicians have done that.
He has appointed SCJ that have overturned Roe. He has issued executive orders that men cannot compete against women and is enforcing title 9 that protects women’s sports and spaces in public schools. He is preventing the mutilation of pre-adolescent children by insane gender maniacs that are pushing the lie men can be women and are indoctrinating our kindergarteners in this radical leftest cult.
He has done more and he is only getting started. So, to answer your question directly (has he shown values that indicate he is a Christian?)
YES HE HAS!!!
Logs and splinters and all that stuff.
Peace to you
KevinThrowe
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Write out the commands and dot’s violations.include the one Jesus Himself gave us.
canadyjd
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You make no sense
Is English your 2nd or 3rd language?
Why don’t you acknowledge the good things DT has done.
Do you agree with DT that our children shouldn’t be indoctrinated into radical trans ideology?
Do you agree with DT that women’s spaces should be protected from mentally ill men who believe they are women?
Peace to you
Silverhair
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And what else has he done that you seem to over look?
But I do not let them bother me.
I get it @canadyjd you like the guy and are willing to look past what he has done. You do not or rather will not see the warts. That is your choice but you should not expect other to do the same.
Has he done some good things but that does not give him the right to do the bad things h has done and those he says he plans to do.
If you cannot see that he has done much damage to the reputation of the US then you are not paying attention.
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KevinThrowe
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Why do you not do the list action. Get the paper write out the commandments and weather do has violated them. I did this many times . Get back to the OP . Do we get a pass at the gate -for supporting the sinful acts by our government.
atpollard
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That is NOT the OP, this is:
... to which the answer is "No."
murder (noun)
1: the crime of unlawfully and unjustifiably killing a person : such a crime committed under circumstances defined by statute2: something very difficult or dangerous
3: a flock of crows
The action by the US Military was not "unlawful", there are statutes that permit the attack of Terrorists and for better or worse, the Drug Cartel has been designated a Terrorist Organization [change the Law if you disagree]. The attack did not violate US Statutes [file criminal charges if you disagree].
The action by the US Military was not especially "difficult or dangerous". [definition 2]
The action by the US Military was not a flock of crows. [definition 3]
An argument can (and has) been made that the action by the US Military was a violation of "International Law", however, International Law is not a real and enforceable thing ... who enforces violations of International Law? Why have they not enforced International Law in places where actual genocides are taking place (like N. Korea, Ukraine and parts of Africa)? Why were they not in Venezuela removing the "illegal government"?
... No, "International Law" is a fiction: a shadow of a toothless lion cast on the wall that some people pretend is real.
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