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Van

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KevinThrowe said:
Start with a simple . Would the guards at Auschwitz be able to gat salvation?
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News flash for the uninformed! The answer is YES. God can choose to have mercy on anyone, but has told us He will have mercy on those whose faith in Christ He credits as righteousness. Even serial killers!
 
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Van said:
News flash for the uninformed! The answer is YES. God can choose to have mercy on anyone, but has told us He will have mercy on those whose faith in Christ He credits as righteousness. Even serial killers!
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So faith in Christ has no bearing on following His teachings? Spend a life sinning and claim faith?
 
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KevinThrowe said:
So faith in Christ has no bearing on following His teachings? Spend a life sinning and claim faith?
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Your thought process is out of focus. You could look at it from that perspective.
It is akin to viewing a speeding ticket as paying for the privilege of driving fast. It can look like it. But that doesn’t mean that is the way it is.
 
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KevinThrowe said:
So faith in Christ has no bearing on following His teachings? Spend a life sinning and claim faith?
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You need to address what I say, and stop making up positions and attributing them to me. God choosing an individual for salvation is not precluded by a prior life of sin.
 
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Ben1445 said:
Your thought process is out of focus. You could look at it from that perspective.
It is akin to viewing a speeding ticket as paying for the privilege of driving fast. It can look like it. But that doesn’t mean that is the way it is.
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Thus the reason I ask for peoples thoughts. It does seam to many believe they can sin and pay for the privilege. A
 
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KevinThrowe said:
[but if Americans souls are part of the mortal sins of some Jesus would want us to help,them.
As to the list that is for those who praise the orange one.
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You haven't been here long, but we don't mock the President here at the BB with names like "the orange one". If I were still moderating, i would delete that for you. And I say that as someone who has deep issues with President Trump.
 
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Silverhair said:
YES. Some will try to justify it as a war but what war has been declared? If they say it's a war on drugs then why not just gun down all the drug dealers in the USA.

Just because *rump said to go and blowup those drug boats or invade Venezuela does not mean it is not murder.

He has shown himself to be no better than Putin, Pol Pot, Jong-Un or any other tinpot dictator.
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Please do not refer to Trump as *rump anymore. I understand your feelings.
 
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atpollard said:
You need to anchor that goalpost ... are you arguing "right" or "legal".
[PS. He was NOT the head of state, he lost the last election ... your precious "International Law" viewed him as illegitimate ... he was an invader.]
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It was not right or legal for the US to invade a sovereign country and kidnap the head of State.

Was Biden the head of State when it was claim that he actually lost the election?

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That is a matter of fact to be established in a court of law ... a court indicted him.
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If Maduro had been in the US then they could have legally held and tried him but your courts do not have any power over another country.

Like it or not what the US did was illegal/

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So what?
Your knowledge or ignorance is irrelevant to the morality or legality of what any nation does.
I have not heard of any attempts by Hamas "to overthrow the US or blow up any US buildings" ... does that mean they are not Terrorists, either?
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Odd how those who know they have lost the argument try to deflect.

On what basis was Maduro classed as a terrorist?

Was it good that he is gone Yes. But the end did not justify the means. By doing as they did it makes the leader of the US no better than Maduro. He could be classified as a terrorist for the actions he ordered.
 
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atpollard said:
No it did not.
The army entered and left. An "invasion" looks like Russia in Ukraine where the army enters and stays.
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Was the army invited into that country, NO. Did they destroy public and private property, YES. Did they kidnap a Head of State, YES.

The fact they left means they must have entered the country. In other words they invaded it.

By your logic if another countries army entered the US blew up some building and kidnapped your head of State then left you would not call it an invasion of the US.
 
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Silverhair said:
No what you did is try to establish that US law is the law of the world. You failed. Kidnapping is a crime even in the US or did you forget that?
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Then police “kidnap” people every day when they arrest people for outstanding warrants. People are arrested in foreign countries on U.S. warrants as well. He did have a federal warrant for his arrest..

Or did you forget that?

Oh, you will say the police have the authority to do that. Yes they do and the government recognized that authority..

And the government has recognized DT’s authority as well.

Only those that hate DT scream “murder’, “kidnapping”, “nazi” ….. completely ignoring the truth his actions have been sanctioned by the secular authority we live under.

Your hyperbolic language is just nonsense.

Peace to you
 
Ben1445

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Silverhair said:
Was the army invited into that country, NO. Did they destroy public and private property, YES. Did they kidnap a Head of State, YES.

The fact they left means they must have entered the country. In other words they invaded it.

By your logic if another countries army entered the US blew up some building and kidnapped your head of State then left you would not call it an invasion of the US.
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It was not an invasion. You are mistaken. Trump acted on invitation.
Maduro extended an invitation to President Trump. If he didn’t mean it, Maduro shouldn’t have said it.

“Come get me. I will wait for him here in Miraflores. Don’t be late, coward,”
 
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canadyjd said:
Then police “kidnap” people every day when they arrest people for outstanding warrants. People are arrested in foreign countries on U.S. warrants as well. He did have a federal warrant for his arrest..

Or did you forget that?

Oh, you will say the police have the authority to do that. Yes they do and the government recognized that authority..

And the government has recognized DT’s authority as well.

Only those that hate DT scream “murder’, “kidnapping”, “nazi” ….. completely ignoring the truth his actions have been sanctioned by the secular authority we live under.

Your hyperbolic language is just nonsense.

Peace to you
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Off subject . Really you view America in terms of a short time leader. Will the debt be paid by this thought pattern . Do you believe Trump to be a good Christian man?
 
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