Grace and discipleship

[HisWordIsTruth]

No, Scripture tells us what is necessary.

ABSOLUTELY! And what does it say? BELIEVE and you WILL BE SAVED! That's what it SAYS!

Apparently you have a hard time understanding Scripture.

No what I have a hard time understanding is why you and others like you either dismiss out of hand what Scripture says are twist it so that "your" doctrine is made to be okay.

Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. That is the ONLY place in scripture where a person asks the question what they must do in order to be saved. And the answer is given. He didn't not beat around the bush. He meant what he said and said what he meant. He was guarded from error! What was the answer? BELIEVE and you WILL BE SAVED!!!!!!!

All other Scripture must be looked at in Light of what is said here, not at the expense of what is said here.

Your view and Paul's statement WILL NOT/DO NOT coincide. They are directly opposite of each other.

Repent and repentance are found 47 times in the KJV.

And your point is? Do you think just because the word repentance is found in Scripture that somehow confirms your doctrine?

Do actually think they were put there just to fill up space?

Absolutely not! We are to live by "every" word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. There is life in those words if we find out what God meant by them, not what "man" means by them!

 

[Revmitchell]

ABSOLUTELY! And what does it say? BELIEVE and you WILL BE SAVED! That's what it SAYS!

No what I have a hard time understanding is why you and others like you either dismiss out of hand what Scripture says are twist it so that "your" doctrine is made to be okay.

Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. That is the ONLY place in scripture where a person asks the question what they must do in order to be saved. And the answer is given. He didn't not beat around the bush. He meant what he said and said what he meant. He was guarded from error! What was the answer? BELIEVE and you WILL BE SAVED!!!!!!!

All other Scripture must be looked at in Light of what is said here, not at the expense of what is said here.

Your view and Paul's statement WILL NOT/DO NOT coincide. They are directly opposite of each other.

And your point is? Do you think just because the word repentance is found in Scripture that somehow confirms your doctrine?

Absolutely not! We are to live by "every" word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. There is life in those words if we find out what God meant by them, not what "man" means by them!

Do you believe:


6. We believe that in order to enter into the millennial Kingdom age and reign with Christ, a chosen disciple must be qualified in this age by suffering faithfully (Mt. 5:10-12; Lk. 9:62; 2 Thes. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Acts 14:22; Rev. 20:4-6).

7. Therefore, we believe that not all of God’s people will enter into the blessing of the Kingdom of God, but instead, many will suffer exclusion or a disinheritance for the full “thousand years” because of a disobedient and unfaithful lifestyle in this present evil age (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5; Mt. 7:21-23; Mt. 8:11-12; Mt. 25:26,30; Lk. 13:24-29).

8. “The thousand year” exclusion is a temporary loss that will not extend beyond “the thousand year” Kingdom. All disobedient children of God shall be restored after the Kingdom in the eternal ages (Rev. 20:5; 1Cor.3:15).

9. We believe that the reward of the millennial Kingdom, to reign with Christ on the earth, is the promised inheritance of the New Testament (Rom.4:13; Col. 3:24; Mt. 25:34; Jam. 2:5) and that His disciples should obey the words of Jesus Christ by seeking first the Kingdom of God above all else (Matthew 6:33).

 

[gb93433]

Jesus said 'Except ye repent...'
Christ said that He did not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Jesus demands repentance. If you are not repentant, you cannot be saved.

If I claim Jesus as my Lord then I have repented. When I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ then I have fulfilled the basic definiton of repentance. I have turned away from my old way of life to a new life in Christ.

2 Cor. 5:17, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come."

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Do you believe:


6. We believe that in order to enter into the millennial Kingdom age and reign with Christ, a chosen disciple must be qualified in this age by suffering faithfully (Mt. 5:10-12; Lk. 9:62; 2 Thes. 1:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Acts 14:22; Rev. 20:4-6).

7. Therefore, we believe that not all of God’s people will enter into the blessing of the Kingdom of God, but instead, many will suffer exclusion or a disinheritance for the full “thousand years” because of a disobedient and unfaithful lifestyle in this present evil age (1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5; Mt. 7:21-23; Mt. 8:11-12; Mt. 25:26,30; Lk. 13:24-29).

8. “The thousand year” exclusion is a temporary loss that will not extend beyond “the thousand year” Kingdom. All disobedient children of God shall be restored after the Kingdom in the eternal ages (Rev. 20:5; 1Cor.3:15).

9. We believe that the reward of the millennial Kingdom, to reign with Christ on the earth, is the promised inheritance of the New Testament (Rom.4:13; Col. 3:24; Mt. 25:34; Jam. 2:5) and that His disciples should obey the words of Jesus Christ by seeking first the Kingdom of God above all else (Matthew 6:33).

I'll give you the same answer you gave me and let's see if it suffices shall we (and again that's just you and me - the two of us make a we :laugh: ):

Why ask me?

 

[Amy.G]

I'll give you the same answer you gave me and let's see if it suffices shall we (and again that's just you and me - the two of us make a we :laugh: ):

Why ask me?

I'll take that as a yes.

Give it up. We all know who you really are.

 

[Steven2006]

HisWordIsTruth ,



Hello, I guess I will never make the CSI unit because I really would have had no clue one way or another if you were someone else or not. But in reading this thread the question begs for a simple answer. Have you ever posted on this site before under a different name? If you haven't then please answer, so it could put to rest all the extra curricular activities. :laugh: Thank you.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Steven I have answered enough questions. They aren't happy with they answers they have received, so be it. Imagine that. The ones that need to stop is them unless they have tangible evidence that is more than cicrumstantial.

I think it's sad that they would rather waste time of this nonsense than deal with what the Scripture says.

Instead of asking me if I've ever posted on the board using a different name, why don't you ask them why they teach something other than believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

Do you believe that Steven?

 

[gb93433]

Paul said believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. That is the ONLY place in scripture where a person asks the question what they must do in order to be saved. And the answer is given. He didn't not beat around the bush. He meant what he said and said what he meant. He was guarded from error! What was the answer? BELIEVE and you WILL BE SAVED!!!!!!!

Believe is an aorist, active, imperative verb not a creedal stance. James speaks of belief as a saving faith--a dynamic belief in Christ, and not a creedal stance.

 

[webdog]

Steven I have answered enough questions. They aren't happy with they answers they have received, so be it. Imagine that. The ones that need to stop is them unless they have tangible evidence that is more than cicrumstantial.

I think it's sad that they would rather waste time of this nonsense than deal with what the Scripture says.

Instead of asking me if I've ever posted on the board using a different name, why don't you ask them why they teach something other than believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

Do you believe that Steven?

You never answered it...because you know that if you do, you either will be found out, or be a liar. Your conscience won't let you answer truthfully. You are a sad little man.

You really need couseling with your pastor. You can't possibly think you are being a disciple of Christ acting in this manner.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Believe is an aorist, active, imperative verb not a creedal stance.

I agree wholeheartedly that believe is an aorist, active, imperitive verb, which I believe I stated earlier in this thread. Not sure what you mean by "creedal stance."

When you compare Acts 16:30-31 with Ephesians 2:8-9 you will see that believe in the aorist, active, imperitive is a one-time faith that leads to a saving that is completed in the past with the results of that action carried out into the future.

It's punctilliar action. It's defined with a dot, not a dot and a line as some cases of "believe" are in Scripture.

Therefore since we know that there is a believe that is aorist that leads to a finished action we must understand the present, active, particple believe, which would be defined as a dot and line that leads to a result at the end of the line.

Those two ideas don't "mesh" with each other. They are two different subjects and two different topics.

If you say those two ideas "can" be meshed together how is it that you get there, when one says believe and it's done and the other says you have to continue to believe and the result remains out in the future?

 

[Palatka51]

Do you believe that Steven?

Hey Steven you've been called out my brother. I think HWIT has challenged your salvation.

 

[gb93433]

Not sure what you mean by "creedal stance."

Faith as stated in a written creed and leaving it on the page.

When you compare Acts 16:30-31 with Ephesians 2:8-9 you will see that believe in the aorist, active, imperitive is a one-time faith that leads to a saving that is completed in the past with the results of that action carried out into the future.

If you say those two ideas "can" be meshed together how is it that you get there, when one says believe and it's done and the other says you have to continue to believe and the result remains out in the future?

That is a perfect participle such as in 1 Peter 1:4 for the word reserved.

Too much of American theology is preached from a foundation of repeat after another ifnorant preacher and ignorance.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Your conscience won't let you answer truthfully.

So now not only do you claim to "know" who I am, but now you are so arrogant to think you "know" my conscience :O. This keeps getting better and better.

You are a sad little man.

I'll ask you the same question I asked "rev"mitchell several pages back, which went unanswered by they way, exactly how do you think you are showing "love" by this childish name calling?

I guess it's okay to call people names in your Scripture. By the way what chapter and verse would that be? By the way I had one of my earlier posts in a different thread edited by a moderator for "personal attack". I'll be interested to see how long your post is able to stand unedited.

 

[Revmitchell]

Steven I have answered enough questions. They aren't happy with they answers they have received, so be it. Imagine that. The ones that need to stop is them unless they have tangible evidence that is more than cicrumstantial.

I think it's sad that they would rather waste time of this nonsense than deal with what the Scripture says.

Instead of asking me if I've ever posted on the board using a different name, why don't you ask them why they teach something other than believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

Do you believe that Steven?

In your case you hold to the false doctrine that you do because you need it to support Millenium Exclusion.

 

[webdog]

So now not only do you claim to "know" who I am, but now you are so arrogant to think you "know" my conscience :O. This keeps getting better and better.

I'll ask you the same question I asked "rev"mitchell several pages back, which went unanswered by they way, exactly how do you think you are showing "love" by this childish name calling?

I guess it's okay to call people names in your Scripture. By the way what chapter and verse would that be? By the way I had one of my earlier posts in a different thread edited by a moderator for "personal attack". I'll be interested to see how long your post is able to stand unedited.

The fact you will NOT answer speaks volumes.

"sad little man" is a description of someone who does this kind of thing.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

I think HWIT has challenged your salvation.

Boy these personal attacks keep getting better and better. Now I'm questioning someones salvation if I ask them if they believe what Scripture says I don't know how you folks keep outdoing yourselves When the next episode of Last Comic Standing? Some of you all need to find out where the auditions are being held and make you way down.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

Faith as stated in a written creed and leaving it on the page.

Well I guess I fail to see what your point is. What does it matter whether you write down what you believe or not?

Too much of American theology is preached from a foundation of repeat after another ifnorant preacher and ignorance.

Well upon this we can agree .

I'm not sure what your point is on the statement right above this one.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

In your case you hold to the false doctrine that you do because you need it to support Millenium Exclusion.

What in the world are you talking about?

If I am holding to a false doctrine as it relates to the OP then by all means jump in for a "rationale" discussion of what Scripture says and let's talk. Is that going to be a possibility?

Does Paul say believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved? Is that Truth or is that a lie?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If I claim Jesus as my Lord then I have repented. When I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ then I have fulfilled the basic definiton of repentance. I have turned away from my old way of life to a new life in Christ.

2 Cor. 5:17, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come."

Not necessarily, gb. One can say Jesus is their Lord and not have Him as Lord.

Matthew 7 clearly shows some will call Him their Lord and He never knew them.

 

[HisWordIsTruth]

"sad little man" is a description of someone who does this kind of thing.

Trying to water down sin doesn't help webdog! You have no justification to call me a name acting like a child. If you have Scriptural justification then please show me where it is. If not then you should be a "big enough man" to apologize for you nonsense.