Graphic video of Tulsa man as he was killed by cop who thought he pulled taser

[Zaac]

Out of touch with reality, as usual.


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The City of Tulsa is about to get a dose of reality in the form of a civil suit.

 

[carpro]

So, what else is new? It was totally expected. If I was his family, I'd sue as well.

Bottom line... Another man that resisted arrest and ran from the police is dead. The lawsuit won't help him at all.

When will they ever learn?

Btw, the city of Tulsa is not involved in any of this.

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[Zaac]

So, what else is new? It was totally expected. If I was his family, I'd sue as well.

Bottom line... Another man that resisted arrest and ran from the police is dead. The lawsuit won't help him at all.

Perhaps God allowed it to happen to help someone else.

When will they ever learn?

Yes when will cops learn that they can't just shoot unarmed black men and get away with it forever?

Btw, the city of Tulsa is not involved in any of this.

Then Tulsa County will be a party to it.

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[annsni]

Yes when will cops learn that they can't just shoot unarmed black men and get away with it forever?

Because we know from seeing the video and seeing the reports after that, that this was his goal - to shoot an unarmed black man and try to get away from it.

:BangHead:

 

[righteousdude2]

Because we know from seeing the video and seeing the reports after that, that this was his goal - to shoot an unarmed black man and try to get away from it.

:BangHead:

Ann, me thinks you finally peeled back the thin veil of this member and exposed his hate filled agenda on this board. He lives to make everything a racially motivated act of hate by whites against blacks.

 

[righteousdude2]

Is the old wealthy man a Christian? If he is, I'd let him slide.

That seems to be a direct contradiction. First you want him drawn and quartered, BUT, if he's a Christian, you'd "let him slide?" :BangHead: please explain your reasoning!

 

[Zaac]

Because we know from seeing the video and seeing the reports after that, that this was his goal - to shoot an unarmed black man and try to get away from it.

:BangHead:

At no point did I say THIS man intended to shoot an unarmed black man so stop banging your head.

 

[Zaac]

Report: Unpaid Tulsa deputy's records were falsified

Reports that a volunteer Tulsa deputy sheriff who says he fatally shot a suspect by accident was certified with falsified training records is not true, the lawyer for Deputy Robert Bates said Thursday.

Corbin Brewster questions a report in the Tulsa World, citing multiple sources the newspaper did not name, saying sheriff's department supervisors had been ordered to give Bates credit for field training he never got and firearms certifications he never earned.

"I think I have an idea of who these sources are and I would say they are disgruntled," Brewster told USA TODAY. Brewster added that, in addition to hundreds of hours of reserve deputy training, Bates was a Tulsa police officer decades ago and had completed police academy training.

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Details of Bates' certification began to unravel Tuesday, when Glanz told KFAQ radio that Bates had qualified with three different weapons — but that the paperwork had been misplaced.

The World says three supervisors were transferred after declining to approve Bates' training.

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Undersheriff Tim Albin and two public information officers were not immediately available for comment when USA TODAY contacted the sheriff's department Thursday. Albin has previously said that he was unaware of any problems with Bates' training or certification.

Maj. Shannon Clark told CNN he questioned the validity of the World report.

"Just keep in mind that the Tulsa World reporter cannot validate her sources and claims anonymity, which leaves us skeptical that her claims are unsubstantiated and deceptive," Clark wrote in an email to the news network.

Dylan Goforth, one of the World reporters on the story, told CNN the paper heard "almost immediately" from multiple sources that training records had been falsified.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...oting-bates-falsified-certification/25866675/

Story just keeps getting crazier.

 

[InTheLight]

Story just keeps getting crazier.

And it turns out his "training" was not for 800 hours but for 300 hours. Although if you're going to lie about it, might as well go all in and say it was for 800 hours.

Bates worked for the Tulsa Police Department for a year in the 1960s. He'd been a reserve deputy since 2008, with 300 hours of training and 1,100 hours of community policing experience, according to the Sheriff's Office.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/13/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates-volunteer-deputy/

 

[annsni]

At no point did I say THIS man intended to shoot an unarmed black man so stop banging your head.

In the context of the quoted materials going back to the few posts, it certainly reads as if you are.

 

[Don]

In the context of the quoted materials going back to the few posts, it certainly reads as if you are.

It's not in Zaac's nature to talk context.

 

[Zaac]

In the context of the quoted materials going back to the few posts, it certainly reads as if you are.

Now think about it Ann. All the stuff I DO say, why would I need to contextualize a statement like that instead of just saying it?

I do wonder, though, why if the situation was under control, as it looked to be, why he would run up trying to use his taser? But then again, he shouldn't have been put in such a position to have to do something like that.

That guy's parents should be suing the pants off the department, county, city or anyone else associated with this madness.

 

[annsni]

Now think about it Ann. All the stuff I DO say, why would I need to contextualize a statement like that instead of just saying it?

True, but sometimes we just want to be a wise guy and be brief. I know I've done it too.

I do wonder, though, why if the situation was under control, as it looked to be, why he would run up trying to use his taser? But then again, he shouldn't have been put in such a position to have to do something like that.

I don't know and I couldn't say. What we DO know is that he is being charged. There is no wiping this one away. He is being treated just like anyone else who might have done something like this.

That guy's parents should be suing the pants off the department, county, city or anyone else associated with this madness.

In our suing culture, do you think anything less would happen? Of course they will sue. There is no question about it.

 

[Zaac]

True, but sometimes we just want to be a wise guy and be brief. I know I've done it too.

Understand.

I don't know and I couldn't say. What we DO know is that he is being charged. There is no wiping this one away. He is being treated just like anyone else who might have done something like this.

I feel sorry for him though. He's in the unfortunate situation of having an example made with his case for why law enforcement should not put anyone whom they aren't paying and who is not a full time officer in a life or death situation like this.

In our suing culture, do you think anything less would happen? Of course they will sue. There is no question about it.

Praying for mercy on this one too. If things are as they appear( because he quickly dropped his side arm after realizing it wasn't his taser), maybe they will just fine him , give him community service and probation.

 

[annsni]

Understand.





I feel sorry for him though. He's in the unfortunate situation of having an example made with his case for why law enforcement should not put anyone whom they aren't paying and who is not a full time officer in a life or death situation like this.




Praying for mercy on this one too. If things are as they appear( because he quickly dropped his side arm after realizing it wasn't his taser), maybe they will just fine him , give him community service and probation.

Honestly, I doubt it. I think like you said, he just may be made an example.

 

[InTheLight]

The 73 year old guy, Robert Bates, that shot a suspect is claiming he took firearm training classes from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Maricopa County denies they ever trained Bates.

Lisa Allen, chief media relations office for the sheriff's office there, said they had no record of Bates attending their training.

In fact, Allen said, that training is only available to members of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, meaning Bates would not have been eligible. The class, Allen said, has only been offered three times.

"We don't allow out-of-state people to take the class," she said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/cour...cle_a6330f10-a9fb-51e3-ab5e-4d97b03c6c04.html

Meanwhile, the certification papers proving Bates received firearm training can't be found. And the Tulsa Sheriff's Department now admits that training requirements may be waived at the Sheriff's discretion:

Maj. Shannon Clark of the sheriff's office did say it's possible that some training requirements may have been waived. Sheriff Stanley Glanz has the authority to waive any department policies, Clark said.

"The policies within our organization are signed off by the sheriff, but there are also policies that give the sheriff the ability to waive any policy within our organization. That's part of being a sheriff's office," Clark told the newspaper.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/17/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates/index.html

 

[carpro]

The 73 year old guy, Robert Bates, that shot a suspect is claiming he took firearm training classes from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department. Maricopa County denies they ever trained Bates.

Lisa Allen, chief media relations office for the sheriff's office there, said they had no record of Bates attending their training.

In fact, Allen said, that training is only available to members of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, meaning Bates would not have been eligible. The class, Allen said, has only been offered three times.

"We don't allow out-of-state people to take the class," she said.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/cour...cle_a6330f10-a9fb-51e3-ab5e-4d97b03c6c04.html

Meanwhile, the certification papers proving Bates received firearm training can't be found. And the Tulsa Sheriff's Department now admits that training requirements may be waived at the Sheriff's discretion:

Maj. Shannon Clark of the sheriff's office did say it's possible that some training requirements may have been waived. Sheriff Stanley Glanz has the authority to waive any department policies, Clark said.

"The policies within our organization are signed off by the sheriff, but there are also policies that give the sheriff the ability to waive any policy within our organization. That's part of being a sheriff's office," Clark told the newspaper.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/17/us/tulsa-shooting-robert-bates/index.html

At this point, why does it matter? He obviously knew how to use a gun.

Was he taser trained would be more pertinent.


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[InTheLight]

Robert Bates is taking a family vacation in the Bahamas.

Yes, I realize he is free on $25,000 bail, but what kind of a message does it send the community to go on vacation a less than a week after you post bail?

 

[carpro]

Robert Bates is taking a family vacation in the Bahamas.

Yes, I realize he is free on $25,000 bail, but what kind of a message does it send the community to go on vacation a less than a week after you post bail?

Why does it matter? Will it make them more likely to think he pulled the trigger? The facts are what they are.

He may be taking a last fling at freedom before incarceration. He may be just getting away from agressive reporters.

What exactly is wrong with that?

 

[InTheLight]

Why does it matter? Will it make them more likely to think he pulled the trigger? The facts are what they are.

He may be taking a last fling at freedom before incarceration. He may be just getting away from agressive reporters.

What exactly is wrong with that?

I dunno, it just seems....wrong.