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Greg Gilbert - Against Music
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In this debate its the attitude that says, "I'm aganist it and you ain't going to change my mind" that causes the splits in churches today. They can't come up with any Biblically valid reasons to support thier hardnosed position but by God they'ed rather see the church fellowship destroyed than to allow a projector in the sanctuary or to to play a song that doesn't fit in with thier personal idea of what music should be in the church. It's sad. It really is.
Nodak, you stated the problem as well as anyone I have ever seen. So, what does an old geezer like me do when his home church of more years than I care to say goes CCM? I know it is difficult to find scripture that would say CCM is bad, but it's also difficult to find scripture that says using marijuana is bad. Some things the Holy Spirit just tells you shouldn't be done. A few weeks ago, we had a young lady do an interpretive dance in our worship service. Her performance was exquisitely done and I was really impressed with all the hard work she had put into preparing for this "performance." But worship? Maybe some would say so but I can't see it. I will also wager that hardly anyone in attendance had any idea what message this "interpretative" dance was intended to convey. Will performances like this help attendance? Probably.nodak said:
It seems that we are doing everything possible to make people forget they are in church, and when the service is over I truly feel like I have been anywhere but church. Maybe I should just leave but I sure don't want to.
Trotter
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Good advise, Tim. Sometimes the conscience sounds a lot like the Holy Spirit... at least in our own ears.
And there haven't been any to say it isn't, either.
All the music we have today would be CCM when viewed from the age of the bible itself. No one can take a "high and mighty" stance when it is all on the same level.
Actually, neither attitude is Christlike. Whether is be for complete change or absolutely no change, a hardened heart is not what pleases the Lord. The same goes for legalism, which is the next step.
To me, it's not the words to the songs (although CCM is dreadfully simplistic and often repetitive). It's not even entirely that they use drums and guitars (although their tones are not nearly as rich as those of a pipe organ). It's that a time of worship should be quite and contemplative, not loud and boisterous like a pep rally or a rock concert. I have never been to a rock concert but I have seen them on television and the response of the crowd very much resembles the congregation in a contemporary worship service--everyone on their feet, hands raised, eyes looking upward, bodies swaying. This is not the stuff of worship in "spirit and truth."
Just doesn't seem right. It lacks reverence. And I'm not alone in my thinking here. If you're interested, here are the views of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, n/k/a Benedict XVI, on music in worship: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1682266/poststinytim said:
annsni said:
I'm sorry that statement offended you, but Amazing Grace is just fine the way it was intended, if he was that on fire for God, then he would've been inspired to write a new song, instead of trying to fix an old tried and true hymn that wasn't broken to begin with.
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Look, I understand my position has fired some of you up, and I want you all to know that I respect your positions, and I am going to stop posting on this as I can see it is leading nowhere good. Before I do, though, I want to encourage everyone that has been reading these posts to pick up a copy of Dan Lucarini's book "Why I left the contemporary Christian music movement" Read it, be objective and not closed minded (not saying any of you are closed minded, but it's easy to read something and have an opinion about it before you read it). Dan Lucarini is extremely good, and is very doctrinally sound, he makes a clear case for why I believe the way I do. And can you believe, the musician I am, and the stand I have taken against the same type of music that I play in my secular life? It still boggles my mind, but I digress, I am not going to post in this subject anymore, I fear I will do more harm than good.
God Bless
Todd
God Bless
Todd