Gun Ownership ... and my prediction!

[JohnDeereFan]

You understand metaphor, don't you?

How is that verse a metaphor?

And your post utterly misses the point about the sole purpose of the gun being to kill, maim or injure. I can't see that as being Gospel values, can you?

Why do you believe that's the sole purpose of a gun? And, while you're at it, could you please explain why using a gun to protect an innocent person or subdue a violent criminal, even if it results in the death of the attacker or criminals, is inconsistent with "Gospel values", particularly in light of Romans 13?

 

[Matt Black]

You struggle to understand it because you do not know the foundation of it.

And you base this unfounded assumption on what, exactly?

 

[Matt Black]

It is not the sole purpose and your characterization of guns is rather sophomoric.

Then kindly explain the "101 Uses of a Gun" for us 'sophomores'.

 

[Matt Black]

How is that verse a metaphor?

In what way isn't it?

Why do you believe that's the sole purpose of a gun?

Please elaborate on the other uses, then.

And, while you're at it, could you please explain why using a gun to protect an innocent person or subdue a violent criminal, even if it results in the death of the attacker or criminals, is inconsistent with "Gospel values", particularly in light of Romans 13?

I have no objection to the 'authorities' defending the innocent, if that's what you're alluding to. The military can and of course should be armed. I do however vehemently object to my neighbour being armed.

 

[Revmitchell]

And you base this unfounded assumption on what, exactly?

It is not unfounded at all. Your statements on our support of guns is ignorant.

 

[Revmitchell]

Then kindly explain the "101 Uses of a Gun" for us 'sophomores'.

Target shooting

Self protection

Protection against Tyrant governments

The protection of others

Stopping dangerous Criminals

I could go on but there is no need. Enough said.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

[cp with John Deere Fan, to whom: Jesus made it clear to the disciples that He was talking metaphorically when He rebuked them immediately afterwards for showing Him their swords.

First of all, it wasn't "immediately afterwards". They were two different incidents.

Second, how does cautioning someone not to pick a fight with a squad of Roman soldiers mean that Jesus' command to buy swords was metaphorical?

Right, that's your question answered, now please answer mine. As to my neighbour's right to defend himself (a) that's why we have a police force

So, does he have a police officer stationed inside his home, who accompanies him on his daily rounds? Or would he have to get to a phone, call the police, and then wait for them to come to his aid?

what about my right not to feel threatened by having a gun-toting guy living next door to me??!!!!]

An irrational fear on your part does not negate his right.

I do however vehemently object to my neighbour being armed.

Could you please explain how depriving your neighbor of the right to defend himself is consistent with "Gospel principles"?

How is that loving toward your neighbor?

 

[Matt Black]

OK, apart from target shooting, all of your list involve inflicting death or injury as the purpose. I rest my case.

[cp with John Deere Fan, to whom: Jesus made it clear to the disciples that He was talking metaphorically when He rebuked them immediately afterwards for showing Him their swords. Right, that's your question answered, now please answer mine. As to my neighbour's right to defend himself (a) that's why we have a police force and (b) what about my right not to feel threatened by having a gun-toting guy living next door to me??!!!!]

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Target shooting

Self protection

Protection against Tyrant governments

The protection of others

Stopping dangerous Criminals

I could go on but there is no need. Enough said.

You also forgot hunting and removing varmints.

We constantly use rifles to remove groundhogs. If one of our horses or cattle stepped in a hole, they could be injured and may have to be put down. So, killing varmints is not only necessary to prevent crop damage, but to protect our horses and livestock.

 

[Matt Black]

Both of those are fine. Not sure why you would need to do either outside a rural environment though.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Both of those are fine. Not sure why you would need to do either outside a rural environment though.

People outside rural environments like to eat, too.

 

[Revmitchell]

OK, apart from target shooting, all of your list involve inflicting death or injury as the purpose. I rest my case.

Boy your are kind of thick aint ya. That is your personal and chosen characterizations. It is not only wrongheaded but it is immature. More importantly it is not intellectually honest.

 

[Matt Black]

Thank you. I have a degree in law plus post-grad qualifications, so I am well aware that when protagonists resort to personal insults, they demonstrate that they know they are losing the argument.

 

[Matt Black]

People outside rural environments like to eat, too.

There's grocery stores, you know.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

There's grocery stores, you know.

Yeah...and? Perhaps they prefer game or, God forbid, they might just prefer to provide for themselves.

 

[Revmitchell]

Thank you. I have a degree in law plus post-grad qualifications, so I am well aware that when protagonists resort to personal insults, they demonstrate that they know they are losing the argument.

Yes well.....maybe in all of your "education" they should have taught you the difference between personal insults and giving a clear description of your behavior.


What I have learned in every day life is when someone has to pull out their education in order to prove a point they are not every secure with their position.

 

[Revmitchell]

There's grocery stores, you know.

Yes well its ok is someone else does the killing them isn't it.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Thank you. I have a degree in law plus post-grad qualifications, so I am well aware that when protagonists resort to personal insults, they demonstrate that they know they are losing the argument.

Gotta love the internet. Anybody can claim to be anything.

Over on CARM, we've got a guy who doesn't know the difference between the prone and supine positions, but claims to be a doctor, a person who doesn't know what an MLA or APA citation is, but claims to be an "editor of academic journals", a guy who thinks the General Welfare Clause refers to government entitlement programs, but claims to be a lawyer, an atheist who claims to have been a Christian pastor, but doesn't know even the most basic elements of Christian doctrine.

Of course, I don't believe they are those things any more than I believe somebody who doesn't understand the purpose or nature of the 2nd Amendment and thinks "tell me how it's not" is a valid defense for his claim that Luke 22:36 is metaphorical has a law degree.

 

[Matt Black]

Yes well.....maybe in all of your "education" they should have taught you the difference between personal insults and giving a clear description of your behavior.

They did. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

What I have learned in every day life is when someone has to pull out their education in order to prove a point they are not every secure with their position.

You called me 'ignorant'. I felt obliged to disabuse you of your misguided assumption. You're welcome

 

[Matt Black]

Yes well its ok is someone else does the killing them isn't it.

Explain how this relates specifically to guns