Guns you own?

[hillclimber1]

It is a wonderful hobby.

It sure is. I'm wanting a long range, high velocity rifle. Something that I could maybe shoot with reasonable accuracy out to 6-7 hundred yds, maybe even a thousand.
Maybe a 300 Win Mag.....suggestions?

For plinking maybe something smaller?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Now that will really really work, won't it? Lilke it did for a friend of mine, a Christian and seminary doctoral student in the Pilippines, who was stabbed to death by a prowler.

And I suppose no gun owning Christian has ever died in a violent attack?

Trusting God as our Protector won't work??

I really have a hard time reconciling that they put their confidence in their own personal armoury.

The second amendment gives Americans the right to keep and bear arms. Fine. Is just seems that some Americans are obsessed with that particular right.

 

[Ed Edwards]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2260.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter


Headline:
Knives, Not Guns, Have Been Weapon of Choice
in Campus Crimes, Study Finds

Text: ...
the most commonly used weapon in more
than 558,000 campus-related crimes over
the five-year span (2000-2004) was a knife -- not counting
fists and feet, which accounted for most of the incidents.
...
Almost 11,000 incidents included a blade,
and more than 3,400 included a firearm.
...

Looks like 3 cases with knives for every
1 case with a firearm

Looks like 40 cases of no weapons for
ever case with a weapon.

Ed notes that when he went to University
on starting week there was an armed guard
in the book store supervising the crimes
being committed by the University against
their students. Books cost an average of
$12 each back then (once I bought a book
for $40 /two 3-hour classes/ and liked
to have fainted. I gave my children lots
of money and didn't ask what books cost
/my 25-year old still lacks 9-12 hours or maybe
42 hours unless only 6 -- that is what he
said, approximately/. University books are
cheaper than firearms.

(said for humor's sake not for validity's sake)
I fulfill my AMERICAN right to BEAR ARMS by having
the stuffed upper part of a bear over
my mantle: includes the gunshot head and the
BEAR ARMS. As can be seen by the unfixable
gunshot pattern - I obviously pulled the trigger
while I was fainting

 

[Alcott]

Trusting God as our Protector won't work??
I really have a hard time reconciling that they put their confidence in their own personal armoury.

No, trusting God as our protector won't work. It doesn't-- that's verified. As long as we are in this lousy world of his, we are subject to harm and disease. If you get pneumonia, are you going to trust him to get you over it, or are you going to get medical care and penicillon, or other antibiotics? In the same way, if someone breaks into your home, your odds are much better of remaining unharmed if you put a bullet between his eyes than if you stand there praying.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

No, trusting God as our protector won't work. It doesn't-- that's verified. As long as we are in this lousy world of his, we are subject to harm and disease. If you get pneumonia, are you going to trust him to get you over it, or are you going to get medical care and penicillon, or other antibiotics? In the same way, if someone breaks into your home, your odds are much better of remaining unharmed if you put a bullet between his eyes than if you stand there praying.

Thanks for clearly expressing your views.

I'm still not real concerned about the fact that I don't have a gun in the house.

 

[Sopranette]

You'll have to explain to a Brit like me how Psalm 104.33 relates to American gun ownership. It says:

I will sing to the LORD as long as I live; I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.

​

I meant PS 104_33's post, not scripture.

I've never pulled a gun on anyone, and I pray I never get into a situation where I would have to. There is no joy in hurting or killing anyone, but it's better him than me. I've never met anyone who was trigger happy, in fact, owning a gun makes you more aware of the damage you can inflict. Mostly I just fire the shotgun to keep packs of wild dogs out of our yard (no, I've never killed one, the bang alone is enough to scare them off.) I use the .22 to hunt rabbits.
(Okay, cue the banjoes!)

love,

Sopranette

 

[David Lamb]

No, trusting God as our protector won't work. It doesn't-- that's verified. As long as we are in this lousy world of his, we are subject to harm and disease. If you get pneumonia, are you going to trust him to get you over it, or are you going to get medical care and penicillon, or other antibiotics? In the same way, if someone breaks into your home, your odds are much better of remaining unharmed if you put a bullet between his eyes than if you stand there praying.

So what do you trust God to do for you? I don't think that I should walk out in front of a bus saying, "I'll be OK. God will look after me!" or avoid medical care and penicillin when necessary, but those are quite different things to "putting a bullet between the eyes" of someone breaking into your home - if you tried that in the UK, you'd be unlikely to remain unharmed. You'd end up with a long prison sentence, unless you could prove that your life was in danger.

Psalm 20.7says:

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; But we will remember the name of the LORD our God.


​

I am sure we are not going beyond scripture if we replace "chariots" with "guns".

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

So what do you trust God to do for you? I don't think that I should walk out in front of a bus saying, "I'll be OK. God will look after me!" or avoid medical care and penicillin when necessary, but those are quite different things to "putting a bullet between the eyes" of someone breaking into your home - if you tried that in the UK, you'd be unlikely to remain unharmed. You'd end up with a long prison sentence, unless you could prove that your life was in danger.

Psalm 20.7says:

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; But we will remember the name of the LORD our God.


​

I am sure we are not going beyond scripture if we replace "chariots" with "guns".

Amen Brother David

 

[David Lamb]

I meant PS 104_33's post, not scripture.

love,

Sopranette

How stupid I am! Sorry.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

So what do you trust God to do for you? I don't think that I should walk out in front of a bus saying, "I'll be OK. God will look after me!" or avoid medical care and penicillin when necessary, but those are quite different things to "putting a bullet between the eyes" of someone breaking into your home - if you tried that in the UK, you'd be unlikely to remain unharmed. You'd end up with a long prison sentence, unless you could prove that your life was in danger.

Psalm 20.7says:

Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; But we will remember the name of the LORD our God.




​

I am sure we are not going beyond scripture if we replace "chariots" with "guns".

Well in the US we have a right to defend ourselves. Sorry to hear that you all do not. And defending yourself and your family is exactly like taking medication and not walking in fromt of a bus.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Can anyone give us Bible support for the "Shoot 'em between the eyes" mindset?

 

[Alcott]

"putting a bullet between the eyes" of someone breaking into your home - if you tried that in the UK, you'd be unlikely to remain unharmed. You'd end up with a long prison sentence, unless you could prove that your life was in danger.

If an intruder's body is found in your home, you admit you shot him, he has his own gun with his own prints on it, I hope that is proof enough that your life was in danger. Otherwise you limeys are limier than I thought.

Psalm 20.7says:
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses; But we will remember the name of the LORD our God.

I am sure we are not going beyond scripture if we replace "chariots" with "guns".

What is we replace "chariots" with "penicillon?"

 

[Alcott]

Can anyone give us Bible support for the "Shoot 'em between the eyes" mindset?

No. Not for the penicillon mindset either.

 

[David Lamb]

Well in the US we have a right to defend ourselves. Sorry to hear that you all do not. And defending yourself and your family is exactly like taking medication and not walking in fromt of a bus.

I'm no legal expert, but as far as I understand it, we do have the right to defend ourselves, but we have to be able to show that the action we take is reasonable in the circumstances. Killing someone breaking into your home by putting a bullet between their eyes might not be seen by the courts as "reasonable", particularly if he or she is unarmed.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

If an intruder's body is found in your home, you admit you shot him, he has his own gun with his own prints on it, I hope that is proof enough that your life was in danger. Otherwise you limeys are limier than I thought.



What is we replace "chariots" with "penicillon?"

Penicillin does not require injuring or the possibility of taking another's life.

Defending your family is one thing - the almost gleeful anticipation of the possibility by some posters is quite another.

I believe that God is just as capable fo taking care of his children whether or not their country of residence affords them the right to bear arms.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Can anyone give us Bible support for the "Shoot 'em between the eyes" mindset?

Is this a persoanl characterization or is their something substantial you base this on to make it more clear?

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Penicillin does not require injuring or the possibility of taking another's life.

Defending your family is one thing - the almost gleeful anticipation of the possibility by some posters is quite another.

.

Who is this?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Who is this?

There is no individualisation to be made. This is a general comment.

 

[Alcott]

I believe that God is just as capable fo taking care of his children whether or not their country of residence affords them the right to bear arms.

But he wasn't capable of caring for my Filipina friend? Or did he just decide to spectate a bloody knife murder of one of his children?

Regardless, he didn't stop it, and that's one of many thousands or millions of cases which show he is not a protector in that sense.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

But he wasn't capable of caring for my Filipina friend? Or did he just decide to spectate a bloody knife murder of one of his children?

Regardless, he didn't stop it, and that's one of many thousands or millions of cases which show he is not a protector in that sense.

Are you telling me that no gun owning believer has suffered from a violent crime?

You almost make it sound like the only godly response to violence is to have an armoury and lock and load. I just can't see that from Scripture.