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Gunshot wound indicates Trayvon was atop Zimmerman

Bro. Curtis

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...Forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio, an expert on gunshot wounds who has written and co-authored several articles and a book on the subject, said the single shot that killed the Florida teen passed through Martin's clothing as it hung 2-4 inches from his skin, indicating that Martin was over Zimmerman and leaning forward.
"If you’re lying on your back, the clothing is going to be against your chest," Di Maio testified. "So the fact that we know the clothing was 2 to 4 inches away is consistent with someone leaning over the person doing the shooting."...



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11-calls-becoming-heart-zimmerman-trial/#ixzz2YZjrcOi5
 
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Zaac

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Wasn't this already known? As Trayvon was availing himself of the rights granted by SYG?
 

Bro. Curtis

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I cannot tell who would know this and who wouldn't. The expert testified today, so it's news, today.
 

Robert Snow

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I guess, according the Zaac, the only thing Zimmerman should have done is to allow Trayvon to beat him unmercifully.

The fact that Zimmerman was much shorter than Martin means that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot.
 

Zaac

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I guess, according the Zaac, the only thing Zimmerman should have done is to allow Trayvon to beat him unmercifully.

Why would you guess that according to Zaac?

But since we're guessing, I'll conclude that according to Robert Snow, Zimmerman should have just called him the "N" word a few times to egg him on and then shot him in cold blood

The fact that Zimmerman was much shorter than Martin means that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot.

What does either man's height have to do with who was on top?
 

Steadfast Fred

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What puzzles me is why the shooting had to happen at all? According to the 911 call, zimmerman was following Trayvon from a considerable distance. Why not just stay in the shadows and wait for the police since he had called them?
 

JohnDeereFan

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What puzzles me is why the shooting had to happen at all? According to the 911 call, zimmerman was following Trayvon from a considerable distance. Why not just stay in the shadows and wait for the police since he had called them?

Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. The prosecution's own witnesses have testified that "Traybone" was almost home, but turned around to confront Zimmerman.
 

Revmitchell

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I believe both men made bad choices. But that does not mean the Zimmerman should be found guilty of murder.
 

Robert Snow

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What does either man's height have to do with who was on top?

If Martin, who was much taller than Zimmerman, were standing the bullet would have been at a different angle as opposed to being in the prone position on top while he was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete.
 

Zaac

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If Martin, who was much taller than Zimmerman, were standing the bullet would have been at a different angle as opposed to being in the prone position on top while he was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete.

I haven't seen anywhere that anybody disputed that Trayvon wasn't over Zimmerman. None of the reports have mentioned him being shot while standing so either man's height is irrelevant.

The relevance would be whether he was in close proximity over him when shot or on his back in close proximity when shot.
 

JohnDeereFan

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I haven't seen anywhere that anybody disputed that Trayvon wasn't over Zimmerman. None of the reports have mentioned him being shot while standing so either man's height is irrelevant.

The relevance would be whether he was in close proximity over him when shot or on his back in close proximity when shot.

Since both medical examiners have testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, unless Martin could levitate himself, he was in close proximity.
 

Zaac

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Clearly, you haven't been paying attention. The prosecution's own witnesses have testified that "Traybone" was almost home, but turned around to confront Zimmerman.

Again in accordance with SYG, Trayvon Martin had the right to do so. The issue with the law seems to be when does the person pursuing after being confronted with force have the right to use force, or at what point does he possibly become the victim?
 

Zaac

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Since both medical examiners have testified that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, unless Martin could levitate himself, he was in close proximity.

Again, I don't know of any reports where anyone has disputed that they were in close proximity. If they were fighting, why wouldn't they be in close proximity?
 

JohnDeereFan

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Again in accordance with SYG, Trayvon Martin had the right to do so.

Could you please cite that portion of the law for me? You know, the part that tells us that "Traybone" can be almost all the way home, decide to turn around and confront Zimmerman and pound his head against the pavement?

The issue with the law seems to be when does the person pursuing after being confronted with force have the right to use force, or at what point does he possibly become the victim?

According to the prosecution's own witnesses, "Traybone" was almost all the way home and out of danger, but chose to turn around, go back and confront Zimmerman. How does that make him the victim?

Again, I don't know of any reports where anyone has disputed that they were in close proximity. If they were fighting, why wouldn't they be in close proximity?

Make up your mind. First, you said:

I haven't seen anywhere that anybody disputed that Trayvon wasn't over Zimmerman.

Now, you're saying you haven't seen anybody dispute that they were in close proximity?

Which is it?
 

Benjamin

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If Martin, who was much taller than Zimmerman, were standing the bullet would have been at a different angle as opposed to being in the prone position on top while he was beating Zimmerman's head on the concrete.

Moral of the story: Cowards with guns out to prove their "manhood" shouldn't start fights, even with skinny teenagers that they greatly outweigh and think they have an advantage on, because they are still the kind of punk that becomes a menacing danger to society.
;)
 

Aaron

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What if Trayvon was trying to get the gun away from the aggressor?
Yer reachin'. Guys, the long and the short of it is, Trayvon was trespassing, casing the joint, had drugs in his system, got belligerent then got shot.

This should happen to more thieving, trespassers.
 

Arbo

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I have thought for some time that if Zimmerman is found not guilty, there will be riots. Some of the logic displayed in this and the other thread about the prosecutor reinforces the notion.

I get the impression that some here would not too strongly oppose a lynching. And not to right this wrong only.
 
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