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Gunshot wound indicates Trayvon was atop Zimmerman

Squire Robertsson

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The prosectution's problem is Florida is an "all or nothing" state. That means either the jury brings back a gulity verdict on the charges brought by the State or it acquits the defendent. The jury can not find the accused gulity of a lesser charge. This is as per an article in today's Wall Street Journal.
 

Arbo

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The prosectution's problem is Florida is an "all or nothing" state. That means either the jury brings back a gulity verdict on the charges brought by the State or it acquits the defendent. The jury can not find the accused gulity of a lesser charge. This is as per an article in today's Wall Street Journal.

That I did not know.

I'd hate to be on that jury if they acquit.
 

webdog

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This news kind of seals the fact Martin wasn't the one screaming help. This trial's over.
 

Zaac

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Could you please cite that portion of the law for me? You know, the part that tells us that "Traybone" can be almost all the way home,

What does where he was almost to have to do with the law?

decide to turn around and confront Zimmerman and pound his head against the pavement?

The law states:

Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

The SYG law says that Trayvon had a right to use force to defend himself. And according to the girlfriend's testimony, he seemed to think Zimmerman was a threat.


According to the prosecution's own witnesses, "Traybone" was almost all the way home and out of danger, but chose to turn around, go back and confront Zimmerman. How does that make him the victim?

Take it up with the law. It says he has the right to do exactly what he did.



Make up your mind. First, you said:



Now, you're saying you haven't seen anybody dispute that they were in close proximity?

Which is it?

That should have been disputed that he WAS over Zimmerman.
 

Zaac

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Yer reachin'. Guys, the long and the short of it is, Trayvon was trespassing, casing the joint, had drugs in his system, got belligerent then got shot.

This should happen to more thieving, trespassers.

What are you talking about? :laugh: The boy wasn't trespassing.
 

just-want-peace

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Does anyone other than me get the idea that we have a resident TROLL here; strictly based on idiotic posts and responses like an eight year old??
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'Course this thread ain't the only one!!
 

Zaac

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Noooooo. And God didn't make little green apples.

God made little green apples. But that doesn't equate to Trayvon trespassing. And the SYG laws allow for force if there is trespassing on YOUR property. He wasn't on Zimmerman's property.
 

JohnDeereFan

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What does where he was almost to have to do with the law?

It shows that he was not being stalked, but chose to confront Zimmerman.

The SYG law says that Trayvon had a right to use force to defend himself. And according to the girlfriend's testimony, he seemed to think Zimmerman was a threat.

Again, the prosecution's own witnesses, including both medical examiners, have testified that Martin was not defending himself, but was the aggressor.

In fact, the prosecution's "star witness", Rachel Jeantel, a close friend of "Traybone" who was on the phone with him at the time of the incident, testified under oath that not only did Martin state he was going to confront Zimmerman, but that when he did not call her back right away, she believed it was because he had gone to fight Zimmerman.

Think about what that means for a minute. Something in "Traybone's" character and past behavior was such that someone the prosecution described as a "close friend" found it reasonable to assume that he had gone to initiate a confrontation.

You seem to be very confident that you know better than the witnesses and investigators what happened that night. If you have evidence contrary to the
evidence that's been presented thus far, then you have a moral obligation to share it with the AG's office.

Otherwise, you're just making a fool of yourself here.

Take it up with the law. It says he has the right to do exactly what he did.

Please cite the portion of the law, the specific statute, that says "Traybone" had the right to leave the relative safety of "his daddy fiancée house (sic)", turn around, attack Zimmerman, and repeatedly pound his head into the pavement.
 
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church mouse guy

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Yer reachin'. Guys, the long and the short of it is, Trayvon was trespassing, casing the joint, had drugs in his system, got belligerent then got shot.

This should happen to more thieving, trespassers.

The media seem reluctant to mention that Martin had been using drugs and their relationship to this event. (The surviving Boston Bomber was also a pothead according to the students at his university.)
 

Zaac

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It shows that he was not being stalked, but chose to confront Zimmerman.

I disagree. The phone calls show that Zimmerman WAS following him.


Again, the prosecution's own witnesses, including both medical examiners, have testified that Martin was not defending himself, but was the aggressor.

Haven't seen this. I'll go back and look to see where this was said.

In fact, the prosecution's "star witness", Rachel Jeantel, a close friend of "Traybone" who was on the phone with him at the time of the incident, testified under oath that not only did Martin state he was going to confront Zimmerman, but that when he did not call her back right away, she believed it was because he had gone to fight Zimmerman.

Again, in accordance with the way the Florida SYG law reads, he had the right to confront Zimmerman if he felt an imminent threat. It's a stupid law that opens the door for people to do stupid things. but stupid people made it the law.

Think about what that means for a minute. Something in "Traybone's" character and past behavior was such that someone the prosecution described as a "close friend" found it reasonable to assume that he had gone to initiate a confrontation.

Must speak to the character of a whole lot of folks cause they passed the law that said he could do what he did.



Please cite the portion of the law, the specific statute, that says "Traybone" had the right to leave the relative safety of "his daddy fiancée house (sic)", turn around, attack Zimmerman, and repeatedly pound his head into the pavement.

Please cite the portion of any law that says Zimmerman had the right to track the young man and put himself in a position in which the young man felt threatened and needed to defend himself?

Please cite the portion of the law that says that he couldn't walk from the store back to his father's house without having some strange man tailing him to do who knows what?
 

Magnetic Poles

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Yer reachin'. Guys, the long and the short of it is, Trayvon was trespassing, casing the joint, had drugs in his system, got belligerent then got shot.

This should happen to more thieving, trespassers.

So trespassing is a capital crime deserving of death?

Seems like Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew while stalking Martin, and when he ended up in a bad situation of his own making, decided to take the coward's way out and kill the young man.
 

pinoybaptist

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So trespassing is a capital crime deserving of death?

Seems like Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew while stalking Martin, and when he ended up in a bad situation of his own making, decided to take the coward's way out and kill the young man.

so the "brave" thing to do, following your statement, is to lay there and let the druggie beat him to death, or to hospital ?
 

just-want-peace

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So trespassing is a capital crime deserving of death?

Seems like Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew while stalking Martin, and when he ended up in a bad situation of his own making, decided to take the coward's way out and kill the young man.

Seems to me that there is an aweful lot of "SEEMS TO ME" bouncing around with the arm-chair quarter-backs on this forum.

Many have suggested that Zimmerman was a wannabe cop, & this is what led to all the trouble.

SEEMS TO ME ( :tongue3::tongue3: ) that there are a lotta wannabe lawyers/judges/investigators on this board who want to keep things stirred up because ---- (pick your own reason) ----- but to me, most reasons seem zeroed in on the fact that Martin was black & Zimmerman was not.
 
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