Gunshot wound indicates Trayvon was atop Zimmerman

[Don]

So trespassing is a capital crime deserving of death?

Seems like Zimmerman bit off more than he could chew while stalking Martin, and when he ended up in a bad situation of his own making, decided to take the coward's way out and kill the young man.

The only comment here I take issue with is "take the coward's way out."

Don't really know you, just as I don't really know anyone else on the board; don't know your background, or what kind of situations you've been in.

If I'm under some guy who's got the advantage, the upper hand, and is beating me, and I start thinking I've bitten off more than I can chew and I may be in serious danger - my background and training says that I'll do whatever it takes to get him off of me.

Now, my background and training and experience, I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place. But if I did end up in such a situation, even if it was because of my own stupidity, and I didn't use every weapon available to me - then I didn't try hard enough to protect myself.

If that's "cowardly," then I have to assume you've never actually been in that position yourself.

I don't disagree that Zimmerman brought it on himself; but when it did escalate, and he did find out he bit off more than he could chew, and he did find himself on the receiving end of a serious beat-down ... well, I can understand the frame of mind that says "use whatever weapon I have to stop the pain."

Easy to call it "taking the cowardly way out." Harder to swallow when you find yourself in the same position, despite your best efforts or because of your own stupidity.

 

[Zaac]

so the "brave" thing to do, following your statement, is to lay there and let the druggie beat him to death, or to hospital ?

The brave thing for the woman beating, resisting officer with violence, drunk to do was to stay in his car and let the police handle police business.

See everybody can play.

 

[Zaac]

The only comment here I take issue with is "take the coward's way out."

Don't really know you, just as I don't really know anyone else on the board; don't know your background, or what kind of situations you've been in.

If I'm under some guy who's got the advantage, the upper hand, and is beating me, and I start thinking I've bitten off more than I can chew and I may be in serious danger - my background and training says that I'll do whatever it takes to get him off of me.

Now, my background and training and experience, I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place. But if I did end up in such a situation, even if it was because of my own stupidity, and I didn't use every weapon available to me - then I didn't try hard enough to protect myself.

If that's "cowardly," then I have to assume you've never actually been in that position yourself.

I don't disagree that Zimmerman brought it on himself; but when it did escalate, and he did find out he bit off more than he could chew, and he did find himself on the receiving end of a serious beat-down ... well, I can understand the frame of mind that says "use whatever weapon I have to stop the pain."

Easy to call it "taking the cowardly way out." Harder to swallow when you find yourself in the same position, despite your best efforts or because of your own stupidity.

On point again Don.:applause:

 

[Revmitchell]

The only comment here I take issue with is "take the coward's way out."

Don't really know you, just as I don't really know anyone else on the board; don't know your background, or what kind of situations you've been in.

If I'm under some guy who's got the advantage, the upper hand, and is beating me, and I start thinking I've bitten off more than I can chew and I may be in serious danger - my background and training says that I'll do whatever it takes to get him off of me.

Now, my background and training and experience, I wouldn't have put myself in that position in the first place. But if I did end up in such a situation, even if it was because of my own stupidity, and I didn't use every weapon available to me - then I didn't try hard enough to protect myself.

If that's "cowardly," then I have to assume you've never actually been in that position yourself.

I don't disagree that Zimmerman brought it on himself; but when it did escalate, and he did find out he bit off more than he could chew, and he did find himself on the receiving end of a serious beat-down ... well, I can understand the frame of mind that says "use whatever weapon I have to stop the pain."

Easy to call it "taking the cowardly way out." Harder to swallow when you find yourself in the same position, despite your best efforts or because of your own stupidity.

Old MP just wants to demonize Zimmerman. Because it is the extreme far left thing to do. That is their talking points.

 

[Don]

Just saw a little "survey banner" on a news site that asked: "Has the defense created enough reasonable doubt to get Zimmerman off?"

Two problems with this: The phrasing of the question indicates an assumption that Zimmerman is guilty of breaking a law.

Second: I think the prosecution created enough reasonable doubt before the defense ever got started....

 

[pinoybaptist]

The brave thing for the woman beating, resisting officer with violence, drunk to do was to stay in his car and let the police handle police business.

See everybody can play.

woman beating ?

but, you see, he didn't stay in his car and let police do their thing, which should've been the right thing to do,
he was neigborhood watch, and he thought it was right to surveil the druggie and maybe he thought that way so if the druggie did attempt anything BEFORE police got there he could help stop it, or at least point the cops to where the perp went and who the perp was.
but the fact is he found himself at the receiving end of the beat down, so, should he just have let Trayvon beat him to hospital or the grave ?
he had a gun, he used it.
in that situation, it made sense for him.
how's that cowardly.
cowardly is if it were an agreed square off, he got beat, and he used a gun on somebody he KNEW to be unarmed.

 

[Zaac]

woman beating ?

Since we're bringing up things outside the confrontation, he had a restraining order for domestic violence from an old fiancee.

 

[webdog]

Since we're bringing up things outside the confrontation, he had a restraining order for domestic violence from an old fiancee.

Who brought up things outside the confrontation? Drugs were in his system at the time.

 

[Don]

Zaac,
I understand the position you were trying to present; however, by your own admission, a lot of the people you're disagreeing with have been paying more attention to the evidence being presented at the trial (THC in his system, what the girlfriend said, etc.)...so their position is actually based more on presented evidence and facts than yours is.

Give it some thought.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac,
I understand the position you were trying to present; however, by your own admission, a lot of the people you're disagreeing with have been paying more attention to the evidence being presented at the trial (THC in his system, what the girlfriend said, etc.)...so their position is actually based more on presented evidence and facts than yours is.

Give it some thought.

I haven't WATCHED the trial. The transcripts are available and I have read those.:thumbs:

Now I actually just turned the trial on and saw the judge asking Zimmerman if he was gonna testify and call anymore witnesses. What judge asks the defendant that?

 

[Zaac]

Who brought up things outside the confrontation? Drugs were in his system at the time.

He was referred to as a druggie. He was referred to as a thug. Then we might as well refer to Zimmerman as a woman beater and a drunk.

 

[Aaron]

So trespassing is a capital crime deserving of death?

Yep. Come snooping around my house uninvited and see what happens.

 

[webdog]

He was referred to as a druggie. He was referred to as a thug. Then we might as well refer to Zimmerman as a woman beater and a drunk.

Zimmerman wasn't beating a woman nor drunk that night. Martin was on drugs and a thug. You don't have a point.

 

[preacher4truth]

He was referred to as a druggie. He was referred to as a thug.

And he was both.

Then we might as well refer to Zimmerman as a woman beater and a drunk.

And Zimmerman is neither. You must have a huge supply of straw.

 

[Zaac]

Zimmerman wasn't beating a woman nor drunk that night. Martin was on drugs and a thug. You don't have a point.

All you know is that THC was in his system and that could have been in there for days. And you don't know anymore that the kid was a thug than you know that Zimmerman was a thug. So you don't have a point.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Old MP just wants to demonize Zimmerman. Because it is the extreme far left thing to do. That is their talking points.

Standard Mitch M.O...Rather than present a lucid argument, just sling the word "liberal" or "left" as an invective and call it a day. :thumbs:

 

[Zaac]

And he was both.

As was Zimmerman a woman beater and a drunk.

And Zimmerman is neither. You must have a huge supply of straw.

I just borrowed some from your pile.

 

[Robert Snow]

Standard Mitch M.O...Rather than present a lucid argument, just sling the word "liberal" or "left" as an invective and call it a day. :thumbs:

While Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding his head into the concrete, what should Zimmerman have done?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

While Martin was on top of Zimmerman, pounding his head into the concrete, what should Zimmerman have done?

He should have thought about that prior to stalking him. If he didn't have a gun, itching to use it, he likely would not have been so bold to do what the cops told him not to do. We also don't know that Martin was indeed doing as you suggest.

 

[webdog]

All you know is that THC was in his system and that could have been in there for days. And you don't know anymore that the kid was a thug than you know that Zimmerman was a thug. So you don't have a point.

He used racial slurs and beat a smaller man down. Thats the very definition of thug.