Hamas bears responsibility

[Revmitchell]

They are human beings and not terrorist. You are saying they leave terrorist alive in prison when they bomb women and children? Isn't that backwards?

To suggest that saying their are not human because we acknowledge they are terrorists is far left propaganda. It is also absurd. No one suggested they were not human. When Hamas hides, like measles little cowards in and among civilians and those civilians work to give them cover then the responsibility is on those civilians.

In the US we stand in front of civilians to protect them. In the world of Hamas and terrorists in general they hide behind them to get protection. In every war civilians unfortunately get killed. It becomes worse when those civilians intentionally give cover for terrorists and then try to use that as propaganda. Hamas must be brought to a complete end. What Israel is doing is just and right.

 

[Conan]

They voted for Hamas to lead them by over 70%.

With Israeli zionist full support. As in financed. Netanyahu in the past wanted to divide the Palestinian Liberation Army (PLO). The zionist were successful. When's the last time you head of the PLO?

They cheered in the streets by the hundreds of thousands after 911… after every successful terrorist attack… they cheered the death of innocents… the death of women and children… they are terrorists…. overwhelmingly.

It was not hundreds of thousands but only a few thousand. And they have been treated like they are sub-human by zionist, not Palestinian Jews, but by zionist. You know, the cia, European settlers. American Warplanes, jets, tanks, bombs.

On October 7, Hamas attacked innocents in Israel. They did not attack the military. By your own definition, they are COWARDS!!!

They launched a strike against the Israeli army and whipped them in a stand up fight. Their "towns" (I forget what there called) surrounding the outdoor prison called the Gaza Strip and Israeli army families actively serving as a buffer to Gaza. They killed so many Israeli Generals the United States had to give them some. More Israeli civilians were killed by friendly fire especially at the "rave". Why did Israel quickly bury all the vehicles destroyed by the Apaches? Israeli Army commanders have admitted it in Israeli news. But I'll bet you never heard it from fox, cnn, msnbc. You know, controlled one sided media.

They slaughtered women and children. They raped, murdered, beheaded women. They beheaded children. They posted video of their deeds for all to see…. Laughing while they gang raped young women, murdering them, beheading them. They are Satanic.

You are using the old first and second day propaganda mainstream news media lies. Its to get your sympathy. They never beheaded children nor raped anyone. They killed Israeli army personal and took hostages to exchange for their hostages, which Netanyahu will not do despite the pleas of the families. Netanyahu wants the Gaza Strip, he does not want peace nor any hostages exchanged. Please get your news from reliable sources.

You are defending and making excuses for liars, rapists, murderers of women and children. Your self righteous indignation only flows in one direction.

You are a propagandist for evil. You are not fooling anyone on this board.

peace to you

I am not trying to fool anyone. I am trying to tell the truth. The United States have become brutal killers and tyrants, killing women, children and non-combatants. Murder is wrong. Certainly you know the destruction of Gazas building are wrong. Hamas is in underground tunnels. Hamas knew that the zionist in their heavy handedness would bomb the civilian building and kill people, but as the people have fled Hamas comes out to fight the Israeli Army in the rubble destroying tanks and vehicles driving them out of the rubble. By January 34,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed to only a few hundred Hamas fighters and the same of (after oct7) Israeli soldiers. Israel has lost so many tanks they cancelled their selling to Morocco. It is a brutal fight in the rubble. None of the Hamas fighter or Israeli soldiers are cowards. It is a brutal fight. Watch the videos on YouTube for yourself. For Hamas to fight Israeli Tanks in the rubble is bravery, not cowardice. Nor are the Israelis who have to fight on Hamas terms in the rubble the Israeli fighter Jets with US bombs caused. Like Stalingrad in WW2.

 

[Conan]

To suggest that saying their are not human because we acknowledge they are terrorists is far left propaganda. It is also absurd. No one suggested they were not human. When Hamas hides, like measles little cowards in and among civilians and those civilians work to give them cover then the responsibility is on those civilians.

Perhaps you do not know that the 2 million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip is a virtual open air prison. If someone has cancer there, or needs to leave they are often denied to leave to get help. No food or anything gets through but allowed by Israel, including food. Palestinians used to fish but well before October 7th the Israeli navy would shoot at them and drive them in . There is a great fence surrounding them on land with only Israeli fortress check points. It was in our news well before October 7th that the Israelis said they were putting the Palestinians on a diet, strictly monitoring their food importations. Remember Hamas only has 30,000 fighters October 7. That leaves the mistreating of 1 million 970,000 non-combatants. Of course as so many families have lost so many people I reckon they are easy to recruit now. If you were born there as a Palestinian you would probably fight to.

In the US we stand in front of civilians to protect them. In the world of Hamas and terrorists in general they hide behind them to get protection. In every war civilians unfortunately get killed. It becomes worse when those civilians intentionally give cover for terrorists and then try to use that as propaganda. Hamas must be brought to a complete end. What Israel is doing is just and right.

I used to feel the same but you and I have been taught propaganda all of our lives. Oh, you would want to stand in front of civilians but our government does not. We abandon the civilians who were once our allies. We kill many, many civilians unnecessarily and if you think about it you of all people should know. I know you would not kill civilians, but the United States Government does. Far more than anyone else.

 

[Conan]

"There is no peace", saith God, "to the wicked."

I will not interact with him.

May the Lord fill you with compassion.

 

[Conan]

 

[JonC]

Here is a good example of what we ate talking about:

Israel rescued 4 hostages that Hamas (the government of Palestinian kidnapped over 8 months ago).

In the process over 200 people were killed (Hamas soldiers and Palestinian civilians including children).

Obviously civilians are not targeted (Israel has not occupied Palestine since 2005 and appears to have no interest in occupying the area). But military targets.....like targets hoding the hostages...were targeted.

The question is not whether a sovereign nation has the right to defend its citizens but whether a sovereign nation has the inherit responsibility to do so when another nation targets its civilians.


Praise God those 4 people were rescued, pray for the families who have lost loved ones when Palestine attacked Israrl, ans pray for the citizens of Gaza who are suffering.


But don't pretend that Israel is not justified in their actions.


If the government of Mexico sent their soldiers across the boarder, killed and kidnapped US citizens then the US government not only would have the right but the responsibility to respond in every way to rescue those people and do its best to make sure Mexico would not repeat the attack.

Israel rescues 4 hostages taken in Hamas' Oct. 7 attack, and 210 Palestinians are reported killed

 

[JonC]

Oh.....an important aspect to this topic is WHERE the hostages were being held.

They were being held in the Nuseirat refugee camp.

Were Israel not to have targeted the refugee camp to rescue their people then the hostages would still be there.

 

[Conan]

Oh.....an important aspect to this topic is WHERE the hostages were being held.

They were being held in the Nuseirat refugee camp.

Were Israel not to have targeted the refugee camp to rescue their people then the hostages would still be there.

No, you would not have targeted the refugee camp. The zionist do. You would have traded for the hostages for hostages. Netanyahu will not. You are pretending, like if we were in charge. The American citizen is not in charge, the political zionist is in charge, and they are different than the American people such as yourself.

 

[JonC]

No, you would not have targeted the refugee camp. The zionist do. You would have traded for the hostages for hostages. Netanyahu will not. You are pretending, like if we were in charge. The American citizen is not in charge, the political zionist is in charge, and they are different than the American people such as yourself.

If President would I have targeted a refugee camp that was hiding 4 of my kidnapped citizens as hostages?

You bet I would. In a heartbeat.

No question about it.

Israel did what any other nation woukd have done....what any other nation SHOULD do if another nation attacks then and takes civilians.


Now.....could this have been avoided?

Of course.

The Palestinian government could have refrained from entering Israel, killing civilians, taking civilians as hostages.

Afterwards the Palestinian government could have surrendered the hostages and the bodies of those who they had killed.

The Palestinian people could have given up the location of the hostages and aided Israel in retreating their people.


In absence of that there was no real solution.

Israel could not simply allow another nation to murder their civilians.

 

[canadyjd]

With Israeli zionist full support. As in financed. Netanyahu in the past wanted to divide the Palestinian Liberation Army (PLO). The zionist were successful. When's the last time you head of the PLO?

It was not hundreds of thousands but only a few thousand. And they have been treated like they are sub-human by zionist, not Palestinian Jews, but by zionist. You know, the cia, European settlers. American Warplanes, jets, tanks, bombs.


They launched a strike against the Israeli army and whipped them in a stand up fight. Their "towns" (I forget what there called) surrounding the outdoor prison called the Gaza Strip and Israeli army families actively serving as a buffer to Gaza. They killed so many Israeli Generals the United States had to give them some. More Israeli civilians were killed by friendly fire especially at the "rave". Why did Israel quickly bury all the vehicles destroyed by the Apaches? Israeli Army commanders have admitted it in Israeli news. But I'll bet you never heard it from fox, cnn, msnbc. You know, controlled one sided media.


You are using the old first and second day propaganda mainstream news media lies. Its to get your sympathy. They never beheaded children nor raped anyone. They killed Israeli army personal and took hostages to exchange for their hostages, which Netanyahu will not do despite the pleas of the families. Netanyahu wants the Gaza Strip, he does not want peace nor any hostages exchanged. Please get your news from reliable sources.


I am not trying to fool anyone. I am trying to tell the truth. The United States have become brutal killers and tyrants, killing women, children and non-combatants. Murder is wrong. Certainly you know the destruction of Gazas building are wrong. Hamas is in underground tunnels. Hamas knew that the zionist in their heavy handedness would bomb the civilian building and kill people, but as the people have fled Hamas comes out to fight the Israeli Army in the rubble destroying tanks and vehicles driving them out of the rubble. By January 34,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed to only a few hundred Hamas fighters and the same of (after oct7) Israeli soldiers. Israel has lost so many tanks they cancelled their selling to Morocco. It is a brutal fight in the rubble. None of the Hamas fighter or Israeli soldiers are cowards. It is a brutal fight. Watch the videos on YouTube for yourself. For Hamas to fight Israeli Tanks in the rubble is bravery, not cowardice. Nor are the Israelis who have to fight on Hamas terms in the rubble the Israeli fighter Jets with US bombs caused. Like Stalingrad in WW2.

Come in @Conan, just answer one question.

What did Hamas do on October 7th? You can ssy it…. Come on…. Just admit what they did.

Don’t mention Israel. Don’t mention the U.S.

Just tell us what Hamas did.

peace to you

 

[Conan]

If President would I have targeted a refugee camp that was hiding 4 of my kidnapped citizens as hostages?

You bet I would. In a heartbeat.

No question about it.

Israel did what any other nation woukd have done....what any other nation SHOULD do if another nation attacks then and takes civilians.

Then why not go down a fight Hamas in the tunnels to rescue hostages? Hostages themselves have said Israel was killing them. True, in such a fight they are frightened but killing their own I would find unacceptable. Israeli soldiers and reservists have killed more israeli civilians than Hamas has. Especially at the "rave". You may be interested in rescuing hostages. Netanyahus government is not. You would act one way, Netanyahu another? Wherefore the difference?
.

Now.....could this have been avoided?

Of course.

The Palestinian government could have refrained from entering Israel, killing civilians, taking civilians as hostages.

Why do you think one of the main reasons of October 7th happened. Israel holds over 5000 Palestinians hostages as political prisoners. They are not charged with crimes or given any hearing must held indefinitely with no human rights whatsoever. They took hostages to trade for theirs. I realize you had no real knowledge of this. But Netanyahu has refused to trade hostages.

Afterwards the Palestinian government could have surrendered the hostages and the bodies of those who they had killed.

The Palestinian people could have given up the location of the hostages and aided Israel in retreating their people.

Netanyahu's government said no.

In absence of that there was no real solution.

Israel could not simply allow another nation to murder their civilians.

Israel has been killing Palestinians since 1949. How many Palestinian women and children and non-combatants have been killed by the Israeli army and airforce? At January it was 34,000. October 8th-January. Would you have killed that many?

 

[Conan]

Come in @Conan, just answer one question.

What did Hamas do on October 7th? You can ssy it…. Come on…. Just admit what they did.

Don’t mention Israel. Don’t mention the U.S.

Just tell us what Hamas did.

peace to you

They launched a military operation against Israel and beat them in a stand up fight. They went over the outdoor prison walls in jalopy home built flying machines and killed Israeli army officers by the scores. They killed so many Israeli army Generals the United States had to give them some of ours. They took hostages back to underground tunnels to trade for their hostages. Israel struck back so hard they killed their own civilians in cross fire. They didn't distinguish between Hamas and their citizens and cut their own down as the Israeli Army has acknowledged. They buried all of those vehicles quickly which showed destruction by the Apache helicopters. I wish cnn, fox, msnbc would tell you these things.

 

[Conan]

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[canadyjd]

They launched a military operation against Israel and beat them in a stand up fight. They went over the outdoor prison walls in jalopy home built flying machines and killed Israeli army officers by the scores. They killed so many Israeli army Generals the United States had to give them some of ours. They took hostages back to underground tunnels to trade for their hostages. Israel struck back so hard they killed their own civilians in cross fire. They didn't distinguish between Hamas and their citizens and cut their own down as the Israeli Army has acknowledged. They buried all of those vehicles quickly which showed destruction by the Apache helicopters. I wish cnn, fox, msnbc would tell you these things.

That is cowpie.

Hamas took video of their rapes, murders, beheading of women and children. They are proud of the carnage. They are proud of raping and murdering civilians.

They did not attack Israeli troops. They attacked civilians, raping and murdering like the sons of Satan they are. After they got their jollies by beheading children and raping women, they fled into their tunnels like the rats they are, with hostages as human shields knowing the Israeli Army would be held to a higher standard of conduct by the international “community” as they fought back.

But the Israelis didn’t cave to pressure, not from the UN and not from the U.S.

They will not stop until every son of Satan hiding in their holes are killed.

And Hamas could end this today by giving the hostages back and surrendering. They will surrender or they will die.

And, I hope, the U.S. taxpayers do not spend a dime rebuilding the hub of satanic terror that is Gaza.

peace to you

 

[Conan]

That is cowpie.

Hamas took video of their rapes, murders, beheading of women and children. They are proud of the carnage. They are proud of raping and murdering civilians.

They did not attack Israeli troops. They attacked civilians, raping and murdering like the sons of Satan they are. After they got their jollies by beheading children and raping women, they fled into their tunnels like the rats they are, with hostages as human shields knowing the Israeli Army would be held to a higher standard of conduct by the international “community” as they fought back.

But the Israelis didn’t cave to pressure, not from the UN and not from the U.S.

They will not stop until every son of Satan hiding in their holes are killed.

And Hamas could end this today by giving the hostages back and surrendering. They will surrender or they will die.

And, I hope, the U.S. taxpayers do not spend a dime rebuilding the hub of satanic terror that is Gaza.

peace to you

You and your allies have murdered over 37084 Innocent men women and children who are non-combatants.
You have wounded 84494 innocent men women and children. You know, people.
11,000 innocent men women and children are missing.
Since 50% of the inhabitants of Gaza are children at least half of those figures are children.
However you are a proud killer of children and women I see. You as a tax payer are proud to murder children with your bombs that you cowardly drop from the air to smash children, women and apartment buildings.
Oh and you are lying with propaganda about Hamas beheading children and raping women. You say that to justify commiting Genocide against women and children. May God hold you accountable for your lies and hatred towards human beings. That is Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims whom you hate.

 

[canadyjd]

You and your allies have murdered over 37084 Innocent men women and children who are non-combatants.
You have wounded 84494 innocent men women and children. You know, people.
11,000 innocent men women and children are missing.
Since 50% of the inhabitants of Gaza are children at least half of those figures are children.
However you are a proud killer of children and women I see. You as a tax payer are proud to murder children with your bombs that you cowardly drop from the air to smash children, women and apartment buildings.
Oh and you are lying with propaganda about Hamas beheading children and raping women. You say that to justify commiting Genocide against women and children. May God hold you accountable for your lies and hatred towards human beings. That is Palestinian Jews, Christians, and Muslims whom you hate.

No, Hamas killed tens of thousands of its own people, women and children, and use ignorant, gullible, folks like yourself to spread their propaganda and lies.

YOU are defending the sons of Satan that butchered women and children, gang raping the women and then beheading them and the children like the cowards they are.

Then they ran back to their tunnels, built with US tax payer money to hide, like the murderous cowards they are.

Then they cried, “please make the Israelis stop killing us!!! We were were just flying our hang gliders and the mean Israelis started shooting at us and they were such bad shots they killed 1100 of their own people, so we defeated them in a great battle and took hostages, killing all their generals, but instead of keeping the land after we win the battle, we fled like cowards to our tunnels under the schools and hospitals in Gaza, built with US taxpayer money. Please make the Israelis stop killing us!!! Please!!!”

But the Israelis won’t stop. No amount of your crying, blathering propaganda will make them stop until they kill them all.

The only chance the cowardly sons of Satan have to live is to surrender, release their hostages, and get on their knees and beg the Israelis to show them mercy, even though they showed no mercy the the women and children they murdered.

And again, I hope US taxpayers do not spend another dime to rebuild the terrorist cesspool that is Gaza.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

For the first time in my life I’m honing to say this….

I don’t want your prayers, @Conan, you have been deceived by Satan himself. You are defending gang rape and murder of women and children.

Save your prayers for yourself.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Then why not go down a fight Hamas in the tunnels to rescue hostages? Hostages themselves have said Israel was killing them. True, in such a fight they are frightened but killing their own I would find unacceptable. Israeli soldiers and reservists have killed more israeli civilians than Hamas has. Especially at the "rave". You may be interested in rescuing hostages. Netanyahus government is not. You would act one way, Netanyahu another? Wherefore the difference?
.

Why do you think one of the main reasons of October 7th happened. Israel holds over 5000 Palestinians hostages as political prisoners. They are not charged with crimes or given any hearing must held indefinitely with no human rights whatsoever. They took hostages to trade for theirs. I realize you had no real knowledge of this. But Netanyahu has refused to trade hostages.

Netanyahu's government said no.



Israel has been killing Palestinians since 1949. How many Palestinian women and children and non-combatants have been killed by the Israeli army and airforce? At January it was 34,000. October 8th-January. Would you have killed that many?

The Palestinians have a long history of attacking and killing Jewish people. This is due to their belief that Jews should be killed.

I also have to acknowledge the obvious - you would have been in opposition to the liberation of the Jews from German concentration camps because innocent non-Jewish lives were lost.

The problem is not your valuation of human life. It is the devaluation of a life based on their nationality as Jewish.

If your family member were rapped and kidnapped I seriously doubt you would discourage a rescue or from preventing it from it happening again.

But you seem to think a Jew is less than human.

If the tables were turned and Israel committed the crimes Palestinian committed then I would say Palestine had the responsibility to defend itself.

BUT that is not the case. The former prime minister of Israel was a Palestinian citizen. Non-jewish Palestinians freely live in Israel as citizens. Christians freely live in Israel as citizens. Muslims freely live in Israel as citizens.

Israel has repeatedly been attacked, experienced terrorism from Palestinian. Your complaint is those terrorists remain in jail????

Israel rightly occupied the areas surrounding Israel. Israel actually conquered the area when the nations started a war against them. Israel withdrew for peace.

And again, in 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza for peace.


The problem is that you have taken the position that Israel does not have a right to exist as a nation.

You have adopted the view that Israel should allow terrorists kill its citizens because they are, you know, just Jews....not real people.

You condemn Israel for attacking a refugee camp to rescue their citizens held hostage by the citizens in the camp.

 

[Conan]

For the first time in my life I’m honing to say this….

I don’t want your prayers, @Conan, you have been deceived by Satan himself. You are defending gang rape and murder of women and children.

Save your prayers for yourself.

peace to you

I just wanted you to not be filled with hatred towards other human beings. You know, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims. People native to the land and have always lived in peace with each other. At least not their women and children if you could muster that. You do not know the true situation in Palestine, Israel, Russia, China or anywhere else in the world. You think you are a good person and all others are evil. The rest of the world has seen our evil and are resisting us. When our economy falls it will be your fault. The American empire is going to fall because of people like you. You kill so many women and children throughout the world you deserve it. Some Americans have learned the truth of our corruption and try to share with others. You represent the evil establishment well. I will ask God that He shows you the truth about the American empire and all of the death we cause around the world for our social elite (Billionaires and their subordinates). We are the ones causing war around the world. We are the ones who rape other countries resources and take it from their people and give it to our corporations. I was once blind to it just as you are. I myself cannot change your mind but if God shows you were wrong about something and you realize it the whole house of cards could fall. And you would learn the truth.

 

[JonC]

I just wanted you to not be filled with hatred towards other human beings. You know, Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims. People native to the land and have always lived in peace with each other. At least not their women and children if you could muster that. You do not know the true situation in Palestine, Israel, Russia, China or anywhere else in the world. You think you are a good person and all others are evil. The rest of the world has seen our evil and are resisting us. When our economy falls it will be your fault. The American empire is going to fall because of people like you. You kill so many women and children throughout the world you deserve it. Some Americans have learned the truth of our corruption and try to share with others. You represent the evil establishment well. I will ask God that He shows you the truth about the American empire and all of the death we cause around the world for our social elite (Billionaires and their subordinates). We are the ones causing war around the world. We are the ones who rape other countries resources and take it from their people and give it to our corporations. I was once blind to it just as you are. I myself cannot change your mind but if God shows you were wrong about something and you realize it the whole house of cards could fall. And you would learn the truth.

Part of the problem is your hyprocracy in defending Palestine for attacking, killing, and raping Jewish civilians based on Israel having Palestinian prisoners.

The rest is what I would consider a larger antisemitic view.

With this war, nobody except Palestine and their supporters actually rejoice in the death of human beings (they publicly rejoice in and have rejoiced in the deaths of Israeli, British, and American civilians).

The ultimate issue and difference here is whether one supports evil. Based on your posts, I have to say that you indeed support evil.

"From the river to the sea", kill the Jews.....right?