Has God Ordained a certain style for Musical worship?

[JonC]

I have already answered your question. There is plenty of factual information that many have provided that shows the demonic character and origins of rock music. Apparently, it is time for you to do some research.

No. You made a claim. You provided absolutely no factual information.

I actually did the research. I know how and when rock music originated.

I know that any claim rock and country music is occult. And many believe singing a hymn accompanied by a paino is a sin. But I don't care.

The main issue is WHY people believed that rock music was occult. The reason is racism (the music originated among Black Americans, it naturally grew out of the Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Country and Gospel music).

So yes, there was a time when many considered the music to be occult because it originated with Black Americans in the 1950's. Books were written about how Black people were influencing White culture. People were complaining when Black children started attending school with White children.

I know the history.

I am just surprised that racism exists today. And I suspect that is why you are so reluctant to give your reason for the opinion.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

What passages are you speaking of where Scripture states people sang without instruments?

Why is Christians playing a paino NOT glorifying Satan? A paino is a worldly instrument.

Why is wearing a wedding ring NOT a sin? It originated in ancient pagan cultures and our secular culture uses wedding rings.

Really? You do not know of any passages that speak of singing without the mention of musical instruments? For starters, try Numbers 17, Judges 5, and Acts 16.

Who says that a piano is a worldly instrument?

Your claims about the origins of wedding rings rely on information from the writings of other people. You have no ability to establish validly what godly people did or did not do in that respect prior to the Flood.

No. You made a claim. You provided absolutely no factual information.

I actually did the research. I know how and when rock music originated.

I know that any claim rock and country music is occult. And many believe singing a hymn accompanied by a paino is a sin. But I don't care.

The main issue is WHY people believed that rock music was occult. The reason is racism (the music originated among Black Americans, it naturally grew out of the Blues, Rhythm and Blues, Country and Gospel music).

So yes, there was a time when many considered the music to be occult because it originated with Black Americans in the 1950's. Books were written about how Black people were influencing White culture.

I am just surprised that racism exists today. And I suspect that is why you are so reluctant to give your reason for the opinion.

I see. So, all the secular rock musicians who have testified of the demonic character of their own rock music were all racists? I'm sure that they would disagree very strongly with you. Apparently, however, you view yourself as the final word on this subject so perhaps you should contact them to see if you can help them understand their "faulty" views.

 

[JonC]

Really? You do not know of any passages that speak of singing without the mention of musical instruments? For starters, try Numbers 17, Judges 5, and Acts 16.

Who says that a piano is a worldly instrument?

Your claims about the origins of wedding rings rely on information from the writings of other people. You have no ability to establish validly what godly people did or did not do in that respect prior to the Flood.

So how do you know there were no instruments?

I know the paino is a worldly instrument because I know Bartolomeo Cristofori invented it to compose worldly music. It was to replace the harpsichord.

Sure I do. In ancient the Hebrew religion the groom would give a ring to the bride as a symbol of purchase - a legal contract between the groom and the bride's family.

Wedding rings originated in pagan cultures.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

So how do you know there were no instruments?

I know the paino is a worldly instrument because I know Bartolomeo Cristofori invented it to compose worldly music. It was to replace the harpsichord.

Sure I do. In ancient the Hebrew religion the groom would give a ring to the bride as a symbol of purchase - a legal contract between the groom and the bride's family.

Wedding rings originated in pagan cultures.

Really? Paul and Silas sang and played instruments while they were tied to the stocks. Sure thing, whatever you say.

I have not researched the origins of the piano, so I cannot knowledgeably interact with that information.

Um, there were no Hebrews prior to the Flood. Try again.

 

[JonC]

I see. So, all the secular rock musicians who have testified of the demonic character of their own rock music were all racists? I'm sure that they would disagree very strongly with you. Apparently, however, you view yourself as the final word on this subject so perhaps you should contact them to see if you can help them understand their "faulty" views.

Many were into the occult. Many were Christians. They can only testify to their experiences and how they use music.

Many folk musicians who wrote the type of music that accompany hymns were occultists. Many were not.
I like poetry. Many poets were into mysticism. Many were not. Who cares?

The issue is that I know how rock, gospel (traditional Black gospel music), and the blues became associated with the occult.

Does that make you a racist? I don't know. It is a racist view designed by racist people to guard White culture. You may not have realized that. I doubt that the case but give you the benefit of that doubt (most of the time when oeople repeat racist claims it is because some level of racism exists).


Rock originated by the blending of rhythm and blues, the blues, and country.

This is among the first, if not the first, rock and roll song recorded.

 

[JonC]

Really? Paul and Silas sang and played instruments while they were tied to the stocks. Sure thing, whatever you say.

I have not researched the origins of the piano, so I cannot knowledgeably interact with that information.

Um, there were no Hebrews prior to the Flood. Try again.

Sure. A chain can be an instrument.

Exactly. There were no Hebrews before the flood. It was a wicked population tgat was destroyed


In seriousness, the first wedding rings were made of a type of rope. This was ancient Egypt. It was long after the flood that actual rings could be made. The first wedding rings were Roman iron. It was later that gold and sil er were used. The significance was unending love (think of the snake eating it's tail).

But more to the point, how does complying with the modern secular world by wearing a wedding ring set a Christian apart from the World? If anything we should come up with another way of saying two Christians are married....by your logic.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Many were into the occult. Many were Christians. They can only testify to their experiences and how they use music.

Many folk musicians who wrote the type of music that accompany hymns were occultists. Many were not.
I like poetry. Many poets were into mysticism. Many were not. Who cares?

The issue is that I know how rock, gospel (traditional Black gospel music), and the blues became associated with the occult.

Does that make you a racist? I don't know. It is a racist view designed by racist people to guard White culture. You may not have realized that. I doubt that the case but give you the benefit of that doubt (most of the time when oeople repeat racist claims it is because some level of racism exists).


Rock originated by the blending of rhythm and blues, the blues, and country.

This is among the first, if not the first, rock and roll song recorded.

You fancy yourself to be an expert on this subject, but secular rock musicians who really are experts, have done the research, and have written books that have been published disagree with you.

 

[Marooncat79]

I can assure you that head covering for women in I Corinthians is due to no wedding bands

They were poor and could not afford them

 

[Marooncat79]

Is it ok to sing “To Hell w the Devil”?

 

[JonC]

Is it ok to sing “To Hell w the Devil”?

Lol....I remember that one.

 

[JonC]

You fancy yourself to be an expert on this subject, but secular rock musicians who really are experts, have done the research, and have written books that have been published disagree with you.

An expert? No. I read what the experts wrote.
I have also read what many of the musicians wrote.

And yes, I grew up in a time and area where previous racist myths still influenced Christians.
That is the reason I find your comments so objectionable.

I have seen the books and heard the racist myths claiming that Black people bear the "mark of Cain", that the White race culture is superior, that Black people have no soul, that rock music is occult because it began within the Black race, that ancient African occult music lived on in the blood of Black people....etc.

The reason I object so strongly to your claim is not because it is against Christians who praise God with the music they know. It is not even your dislike of rock, the blues, and country music.

The reason I am objecting is because you are repeating a racist myth.


The fact is rock did not originate with the ocvukt. But occult themes were introduced into rock music in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

Sometimes this was capitalizing on imagery. Dio comes to mind (Dio was an atheist but was very critical of the Roman Catholic Church due to his experience in Catholic school....he started what began to be called "the Devil sign", but was really a sing to ward off the "evil eye" he had learned from his grandmother).

Sometimes bands were really involved in the occult. Coven comes to mind. This was a sub-genre of rock called "Occult Rock".

But adopting occult imagery is bad enough.

That said, the music itself is not occult. Yes, it evolved ftom the blues, rhythm and blues, country, and later Black gospel.


Let's look at a couple of rhe books that claim rock originated with the occult.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

An expert? No. I read what the experts wrote.
I have also read what many of the musicians wrote.

And yes, I grew up in a time and area where previous racist myths still influenced Christians.
That is the reason I find your comments so objectionable.

I have seen the books and heard the racist myths claiming that Black people bear the "mark of Cain", that the White race culture is superior, that Black people have no soul, that rock music is occult because it began within the Black race, that ancient African occult music lived on in the blood of Black people....etc.

The reason I object so strongly to your claim is not because it is against Christians who praise God with the music they know. It is not even your dislike of rock, the blues, and country music.

The reason I am objecting is because you are repeating a racist myth.


Let's look at a couple of rhe books that claim rock originated with the occult.

Not interested. When you have spent many years playing rock music as a world-class musician and have spent many years in many countries of the world studying occult music first-hand and have written your own book or published articles on the subject, let me know. Until then, your claims are nothing but your opinions that have no credibility.

 

[JonC]

Not interested. When you have spent many years playing rock music as a world-class musician and have spent many years in many countries of the world studying occult music first-hand and have written your own book or published articles on the subject, let me know. Until then, your claims are nothing but your opinions that are of no value.

What about the many rock musicians who have testified that the music is not occult?

You do realize that there are more Christian rock musicians and secular rock musicians who have testified that the music itself is not occult than there are who testify it is occult don't you?

Why do you take the words of occult rock musicians as true but the words of Christians as false?


I am not calling you a liar, as that would be rude. But you reference books that you are unwilling to reveal and think that should be good enough.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Since this thread is soon going to be closed, I have deleted my comment because there will likely not be the opportunity to properly respond to comments that might be made concerning what I posted.

 

[Salty]

Six hour warning, this thread will be closed no sooner than 0900 GMT 5 am EDT

 

[Natha]

Worship belongs to soul, need to worship in spirit, John 4:24 saying worship must be with spirit and truth.. worship belongs to soul. It comes from the heart of saved person.. instruments can boast the body(flesh and blood) musical instrument is worshiping. This generation is totally diverted to show the worship is a physical action. They are totally blinded by showing worship comes from instruments..