Has no Biblical foundation

[percho]

That states the time of day....not the start and end of the day.

You do not comprehend history (here a willful ignorance because your faith hinges on knowing these exact dates....as you said you cannot view the crucifixion as a historical event without knowing the exact date).

So believe as you will. Just stop objecting when others who actually study and know a bit more history and facts disagree with you.

Lev 23:32 It is a sabbath of rest to you, and ye have humbled yourselves in the ninth of the month at even; from evening till evening ye do keep your sabbath.'

Gen 1:5,8 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

 

[percho]

And Jehovah appointeth a great fish to swallow up Jonah, and Jonah is in the bowels of the fish three days and three nights. And Jonah prayeth unto Jehovah his God from the bowels of the fish. And he saith: I called, because of my distress, to Jehovah, And He doth answer me, From the belly of sheol I have cried, Thou hast heard my voice. Jonah 1:17, 2:1,2 YLT

Did Jonah consider himself to be in sheol?

Ps 16:10 YLT For Thou dost not leave my soul to Sheol, Nor givest thy saintly one to see corruption.
Acts 2:31 YLT having foreseen, he did speak concerning the rising again of the Christ, that his soul was not left to hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Was the soul of Jesus the Christ in Sheol, Greek Hades the same amount of time Jonah was in the belly of the fish, Sheol? Three days and Three nights?

How many days before the Passover do think it might have been when Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. Less than thirty?
John 11:55 And the Jews' passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves.


John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Well it looks like a few days before raising Lazarus out of the dead Jesus at least knew how many hours of daylight there was.

 

[JonC]

Lev 23:32 It is a sabbath of rest to you, and ye have humbled yourselves in the ninth of the month at even; from evening till evening ye do keep your sabbath.'

Gen 1:5,8 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So you view the evening and morning a day (8 to 12 hours in a day)?

Just taking your part literally

I am not arguing against the OT.

I am saying that a couple of thousand years later there were differences in practices.

I am suggesting that you (and @37818 ) may be wrong to believe that the Sadducees and Pharisees perfectly kept the Law.


The OT would prohibit the High Preisthood that existed in the 1st century AD.

The OT would have prohibited the Priests 150 years before Christ was born worshipping Zeus in the Temple while holding it worship to God in their hearts.


The difference is you and @37818 seem to believe that the year Jesus was crucified the Jewish leaders correctly followed the letter of the Law (when the decades before they fid not).


Regardless of your opinions, the crucifixion was a real historical event that occurred in time. It was not a myth that followed a religious ideal. It really happened, in this world, at a moment in our history.

 

[Charlie24]

Lev 23:32 It is a sabbath of rest to you, and ye have humbled yourselves in the ninth of the month at even; from evening till evening ye do keep your sabbath.'

Gen 1:5,8 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

In Jewish tradition the evening began when the sun began its descent, in other words after about noon.

Now tell me from these verses what time of day the evening was.

Mark 15:42-43

"And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

 

[Charlie24]

In Jewish tradition the evening began when the sun began its descent, in other words after about noon.

Now tell me from these verses what time of day the evening was.

Mark 15:42-43

"And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

Christ had just died and Joseph begged for the body Christ to bury him in his personal tomb before sunset when the Sabbath day began.

The evening had already began while still daylight and it was around 3-5 PM.

 

[Charlie24]

Christ had just died and Joseph begged for the body Christ to bury him in his personal tomb before sunset when the Sabbath day began.

The evening had already began while still daylight and it was around 3-5 PM.

So in the Old Testament when God said from evening to evening it actually meant from afternoon to afternoon in the way we now understand it.

So to clear up the evening of 14th of Nisan at Passover, that evening was on the 14th in the afternoon.

 

[percho]

So you view the evening and morning a day (8 to 12 hours in a day)?

Just taking your part literally

I am not arguing against the OT.

I am saying that a couple of thousand years later there were differences in practices.

I am suggesting that you (and @37818 ) may be wrong to believe that the Sadducees and Pharisees perfectly kept the Law.


The OT would prohibit the High Preisthood that existed in the 1st century AD.

The OT would have prohibited the Priests 150 years before Christ was born worshipping Zeus in the Temple while holding it worship to God in their hearts.


The difference is you and @37818 seem to believe that the year Jesus was crucified the Jewish leaders correctly followed the letter of the Law (when the decades before they fid not).


Regardless of your opinions, the crucifixion was a real historical event that occurred in time. It was not a myth that followed a religious ideal. It really happened, in this world, at a moment in our history.

I do not believe they kept anything perfectly. I am saying everything relative to Christ as our passover sacrificed for us took place exactly as God ordained. God stated in Lev 23 that the passover was the fourteenth and per Ex 12 would be killed between the two evenings to be eaten the night of the fifteenth with unleavened bread, the feast a holy convocation, again Lev 23.

I also believe the NT is the Word of God.

I believe the evening following the death of our passover was a high day of holy convocation, a sabbath, which the followers of Jesus men nor women would have broken, therefore I believe as the Word states after that sabbath they bought and prepared spices to anoint the body of Jesus. I also believe that these same women then rested the weekly sabbath per the commandment and then while still dark on the first day of the week arrived at the tomb and found it to be empty.

I believe that accounts for three days of light [day] and three days of nights of 12 hour periods each not counting from the evening of the first day of the week.

I believe Jesus had been gone from the tomb for at least twelve hours before the women arrived.

 

[percho]

Did Jesus, the Son of God know when the passover lamb was to be killed?

Did Jesus know he was the Lamb of God, the passover lamb?

Would Jesus, the Word made flesh, have eaten the passover lamb before the appointed time to be eaten? The night to be much observed Ex 12:42?

Ex 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

That began the evening of the 14th unto the following morning preparing for the day of the feast, the fifteenth 15th. That lasted until the evening of the 21st with the 21st being a day of holy convocation.

Ex 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


Jesus did not eat the passover the year Jesus our passover died for us, He was the passover that year.

On what day do you believe Jesus ate the passover the year before he died?

 

[Charlie24]

Did Jesus, the Son of God know when the passover lamb was to be killed?

Did Jesus know he was the Lamb of God, the passover lamb?

Would Jesus, the Word made flesh, have eaten the passover lamb before the appointed time to be eaten? The night to be much observed Ex 12:42?

Ex 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

That began the evening of the 14th unto the following morning preparing for the day of the feast, the fifteenth 15th. That lasted until the evening of the 21st with the 21st being a day of holy convocation.

Ex 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


Jesus did not eat the passover the year Jesus our passover died for us, He was the passover that year.

On what day do you believe Jesus ate the passover the year before he died?

The Scripture plainly says Christ was crucified on the preparation day of the High Sabbath.

For Him to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights He couldn't have eaten the Passover at the normal time, He was being buried in the tomb at the time the Passover meal was to be prepared on the day of preparation.

 

[Charlie24]

The Scripture plainly says Christ was crucified on the preparation day of the High Sabbath.

For Him to be in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights He couldn't have eaten the Passover at the normal time, He was being buried in the tomb at the time the Passover meal was to be prepared on the day of preparation.

They were in a hurry to get His body prepared for burial before sundown when the High Sabbath began.

At sundown was when the Passover meal was to be eaten. There was to be nothing left by daylight and no bones broken.

 

[Charlie24]

They were in a hurry to get His body prepared for burial before sundown when the High Sabbath began.

At sundown was when the Passover meal was to be eaten. There was to be nothing left by daylight and no bones broken.

Christ and His disciples ate the Passover the same night He was betrayed by Judas and arrested.

The next day around 3-5PM He was crucified. It was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath.

So He ate the Passover a full day early.

 

[Charlie24]

Christ and His disciples ate the Passover the same night He was betrayed by Judas and arrested.

The next day around 3-5PM He was crucified. It was the day of preparation for the High Sabbath.

So He ate the Passover a full day early.

No that's not correct let me correct it.

The next day around 3-5 PM He died on the Cross.

He was crucified around 6 hours before.

 

[Charlie24]

No that's not correct let me correct it.

The next day around 3-5 PM He died on the Cross.

He was crucified around 6 hours before.

I'm rambling on again, but one more thing.

There were 2 sacrifices daily at the temple, one at 9AM and the evening sacrifice at 3PM.

I think it was Mark that said He was crucified at the 3rd hour, 9AM.

And died at the 9th hour, 3PM.

 

[JonC]

Did Jesus, the Son of God know when the passover lamb was to be killed?

I think Jesus (and all 1st century Jews) knew when each Jewish sect, to include those traveling, would kill their lambs and when the killing would be done at the Temple.

Do I believe many today know? No, I do not. They seem to read the OT text and apply their interpretations to every ancient Jewish sect. Could they know? Yes, at least for the two major sects and traveling Jews.

But this would require study. And you would be unable to find a definitive date as facts would get in the way.