Has your opinion the death penalty changed after SC church massacre?

[Rebel]

If you had the money, I'd take you up on that bet and you would miserably lose. Number 1, if you show no love for Jesus, you can't have my vote. Number 2, if you don't show love for others, you can't have my vote. Number 3, if you support abortion, you can't have my vote. Number 4,if you support capital punishment, you can't have my vote.

Looks like you and I are pretty much in the same boat. Not many consistent politicians out there. Actually, not that many consistent Christians, either, it seems.

If the choice is between Marxist, baby-killing Democrats, and warmongering, corporation-loving neocon Republicans, whom do we vote for? The lesser of two evils? Whom would that be?

 

[Rebel]

No, not really.

This is what Scarlett said about Jesus: "Turning Jesus into a Mother Theresa -Ghandi type is turning him into a milquetoast, passive, tiptoe-through-the-tulips, let's-don't-even-step-on-a-bug type."

As a response to that inaccurate absurdity, I posted the link. I thought it was entirely appropriate.

 

[righteousdude2]

This is what Scarlett said about Jesus: "Turning Jesus into a Mother Theresa -Ghandi type is turning him into a milquetoast, passive, tiptoe-through-the-tulips, let's-don't-even-step-on-a-bug type."

As a response to that inaccurate absurdity, I posted the link. I thought it was entirely appropriate.

Well everyone has one! An opinion that is :laugh:

 

[righteousdude2]

What she said about Jesus was uncalled for. And she was serious -- she meant it.

She was stating what the sliding church is seeing Christ to be like, brother. Is today's church not soft on sin? Do you disagree that Cum bi ya preachers are popping up everywhere? Is God not a God of wrath?

Did Jesus NOT teach that there were two roads? To refresh your mind. One was narrow and seldom traveled, the other wide and traveled by many? Did he not teach the that the wide road ended in hell?

Were the disciples soft on sin? Did Paul, who confronted Jesus on the road to Damascus NOT slam homosexual sin?

I'm afraid your views are more world view rather than Biblical world view. It's not to late to see that God hates sin. Loving the sinner does not mean loving their sin. Jesus even warned the believer about entertaining sinners in your home.

Does that make my God a rambo? No! It makes him disappointed with how his prize creation turned out. He is a righteous yet jealous God. But the church has conveniently let that side of the Father slide as they find new ways to tickle ears.

I'm afraid you are off base on this one. IMHO :flower:

 

[Salty]

... Is today's church not soft on sin? Do you disagree that Cum bi ya preachers are popping up everywhere? Is God not a God of wrath? ...

A year ago, I preach a very tough sermon on commitment. Included in the message was
A) you need to attend Sunday School (less than 20% attended)
B) Bring your Bible
C) Arrive to church on time, in fact, be in sanctuary 10 minutes early to prepare for service. ( I didn't mention that smoking in front of the church was a good ideal)
D. Learn the Books of the Bible
E. Memorize Bible Verses
F. Read your Bible every day

Several church members were upset because I came down too hard, and at least one person told me I should apologize.

At the time, I was the Assistant Pastor. The Senior Pastor did not have me preach any more after that message. You see, he did not want to offend the church members.

 

[Salty]

Opps = this thread has gotten off OP!

The thread is about "has your opinion about the death penalty changed after the SC massacre"

I would say if it did not change after 11 Sep, this massacre would not change it.

 

[Rebel]

Well everyone has one! An opinion that is :laugh:

And usually more than one.

 

[Zaac]

Looks like you and I are pretty much in the same boat. Not many consistent politicians out there. Actually, not that many consistent Christians, either, it seems.

If the choice is between Marxist, baby-killing Democrats, and warmongering, corporation-loving neocon Republicans, whom do we vote for? The lesser of two evils? Whom would that be?

You know Rebel, this is what I kept hearing during the last election cycle. And I would tell people that the lesser of two evils is STILL evil. What would I look like as a follower of Jesus Christ trying to point people to Him while endorsing either of those two primary candidates who showed no love for Him or His way?

Why would I, as a Christian, complain about the moral state of this country and world and then turn around and UNREPENTANTLY vote for evil?

 

[righteousdude2]

You know Rebel, this is what I kept hearing during the last election cycle. And I would tell people that the lesser of two evils is STILL evil. What would I look like as a follower of Jesus Christ trying to point people to Him while endorsing either of those two primary candidates who showed no love for Him or His way?

Why would I, as a Christian, complain about the moral state of this country and world and then turn around and UNREPENTANTLY vote for evil?

Well, the hearts and minds of the religious folks that saw what Obama did the first four years voted for him again, and somehow they were unable to recognize pure evil in the incarnate form. So that is saying something about your theory, again! :laugh:

 

[Rebel]

You know Rebel, this is what I kept hearing during the last election cycle. And I would tell people that the lesser of two evils is STILL evil. What would I look like as a follower of Jesus Christ trying to point people to Him while endorsing either of those two primary candidates who showed no love for Him or His way?

Why would I, as a Christian, complain about the moral state of this country and world and then turn around and UNREPENTANTLY vote for evil?

I understand and agree to a great extent.

 

[glazer1972]

My opinion on the death penalty hasn't changed. I am still in favor of it.

 

[Reynolds]

With this domestic act of terrorism in SC being fresh on your heart and mind, I wanted to ask about your thoughts on whether he should be executed for his act on nine church going folks?

One family member, when asked about the murders, said that while she forgave Roof, she wanted to be there when he faced God on judgement day. I do not know if she was eluding to his being sentenced to death or just facing the judgement of God. But her words caused me to think of this board and the huge divide n sides when it comes to the death penalty. And while I realize that we've hashed this out before - the death penalty - has this heinous act changed you view on the death penalty, even in the slightest way? :flower:

Has not changed my mind on the death penalty. I have always supported it.:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Reynolds]

Icon,
Is that guy (the alleged shooter) a believer? I know your warped doctrine will say his behavior is indicative of his spirital condition, so....

Since you should flatly reject the notion that this guy is a believer, why would you appeal to biblical precedent where God prescribed judicial action toward the people of a Covenant ???

God ordered the execution of multitudes of heathens. (not of The Covenant)

 

[Reynolds]

As Christians, we are to obey authorities (unless there is the occasion where the authorities want us to disobey God). Our laws state that offenders must be given a fair trial, due process, and a speedy trial.

Our laws also state that punishment cannot be cruel or unusual.

Hanging is cruel. Lethal injection takes place after the person is unconscious.

We cannot disobey the law and believe ourselves justified if we are denying this offender what the law rightly offers him.

Why is hanging cruel? If done properly, death is almost instant. There have been a few botch jobs of lethal injection recently.