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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Luke2427, Sep 4, 2012.

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  1. dcorbett

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    For someone who says they are a Pastor, you use very sharp derrogatory statements and descriptors when responding. Calling
    me a Pharisee and calling me dumb and saying I lack Bible knowledge
    is not the manner in which I have been treated by a Pastor ever
    before in my 59 years of life. Pastors are leaders of a flock. Do you
    talk to your flock like you talked to me?

    My father was a Southern Baptist deacon, and he would never drink
    a drop of alcohol and didn't condone others doing so. Consumption
    of alcohol meant a certain lifestyle to him, and he was right.

    Yes, I was raised to consider anything that alters your consciousness as something evil. And one drink alters your consciousness - it is a medical fact.

    I have worked in law enforcement for 25 years, and I see the DAILY
    ruination of lives because of alcohol. I have not had my head in the sand, as you insinuated.
     
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  2. Luke2427

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    You have and this is further proof.

    You did not bother to address a single argument of mine.

    You TOTALLY ignored the fact that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Christians are for the responsible consumption of alcohol.

    You totally ignored the fact that the founding fathers and the pilgrims were almost ALL responsible drinkers.

    You do not seem to CARE what the Bible says about it when God speaks well of it.

    You are bent on condemning that which God and MOST of the history of the Christian church has commended.

    You employ anecdotes of the horrors of the abuse of alcohol which is a distraction from the topic of RESPONSIBLE drinking which is what we are ACTUALLY talking about.

    Paul said people who have such hang ups are the "weaker brethren" as opposed to those he said "have knowledge".

    What am I supposed to conclude about you?
     
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  3. Luke2427

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    I noticed you employ a quote from Thomas Jefferson as your signature.

    I thought you might find this interesting:


     
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    I quote Jefferson as a patriot - I didn't know he was an alcoholic too.
     
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    I am talking about the way you treat people on this thread. You basically call them the weaker brother or ignorant, and rake them over the coals. I am not feeling the love, sorry. You can quote Paul all you want, but you don't live up to the man at all. You have put your OP and your need to be right above your brother. You really need to think these through, pal.
     
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    Okay
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    Doctrines of Divine Drunkenness

    God has, from eternity past, chosen a people out of a fallen race, who will drink the finest alcoholic beverages the land has to offer. These people, the "selects", God will make it so that they will have the finest selection of wines, beers, liquors, malts, etc. They WILL drink, and not of their own will, but of the will of the Father, because He has chosen them thusly.


    Those who have been passed over, will never get these "finer" spirits, neither will they ever have a desire to drink them. They, in their already fallen state, will have no desire for them, because God has passed over them. They will have to get by on "skunk beer", and "ripple".


    Just kidding. I am trying to lighten the mood seeing that it's get quite contentious on here.
     
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    Amen! I sincerely don't believe there are THOUSANDS of Baptists that feel as strongly about being able to drink as he does!! I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around the thought of a Baptist Pastor that fights for alcohol consumption. The two just don't mix! If anyone thinks it does, then the world is INDEED creeping into our pulpits.
     
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    This is the problem with most teetotalers- there is too much that they don't know about the subject. That's WHY they are teetotalers, in my opinion.

    Now that does not mean they are stupid people. Not at all. And that is not what I am trying to insinuate, though I might have done so incidentally. For that I apologize.

    A person can be very brilliant in MANY areas and be very ignorant in some other areas.

    In fact, I am quite certain that is true of every brilliant person.

    I am not trying to say you are a stupid person. I do not think that you are.

    But I am trying to say that I think teetotalism is an ignorant position. I think that is perfectly fair and appropriate on a debate site.
     
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    Paul warned that grievous wolves would rise up among us, not sparing the flock.
     
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    I used to drink 8 shots of Hornitos Tequila and spend the night
    on the floor next to the toilet.

    I am so glad that the Lord forgives us of our sins when we trust Jesus.
    I am so done with the demon alcohol.


    Praise God that I can stand up for my convictions too! I pray for
    more people with backbone to stand up to sin and help
    prevent wasted lives. We are not of this world.
     
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    It seems that Calvanists are all jumping on the wine and cigar bandwagon these days. Maybe it has always been that way, but I have been saved for almost 30 years and I don't remember a time since it was so rampant. Paul did not live in a society where drunk driving was a scourge on society like it is now. How many children have been killed, or lost parents or siblings or other relatives because of drunk drivers. What I find interesting, having been a drinker but now a teetotaler, is that no one ever thinks they are drunk. They always think they can handle it. If Thomas Jefferson had 3 or 4 glasses of wine with supper, then he was buzzed and would be arrested for drunk driving in our day should he get behind a wheel.
     
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    Head in the sand, Sis.

    That's your condition. I don't see any way around it.




    I love how Independent Fundamental Baptists act like they are standing for old paths when almost everything that they stand for is a relatively NEW thing in the history of Christianity.

    It's really hilarious if you think about it!!

    But don't let facts get in the way of your misinformed worldview!
     
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    And one of the characteristics of those wolves would be forbidding things that God does not forbid.

    Hmmmmmm........


    Sound familiar, Fred?
     
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    You're such a maaaaaaaaan, Luke!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::tear:
     
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    I edited that post and apparently you missed the edit.

    I also said:

    :thumbs:
     
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    Yea, those wicked pilgrims and puritans and founding fathers and baptists before prohibition and almost all Christians before the middle of the 1800's!!

    Wicked evil people!!

    We all should join in with Corbet here and stand against them- and apparently we should stand against God too who said he made the wine that makes merry the heart of man and told his people to go and buy strong drink and rejoice before Him!

    THAT sounds like a good idea!! ...................... :laugh:

    ................................. :laugh:

    ................................. :laugh:

    ............................ :laugh:
     
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    I am done with this conversation. I have stated many reasons why I don't condone consumption of alcohol, and calling me names or telling me I have
    my head in the sand will not change my stance.

    I don't see one good thing coming from alcohol usage. Not one.
     
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    There may be one good thing, dcorbett.

    A healthy heart while the brain cells disappear. It destroys enough brain cells to make the drinker think there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol.
     
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    One thing's for sure.

    You absolutely avoided like the plague addressing ANY arguments to the contrary of your position.

    You just talked about alcohol abuse- which was meaningless since NOBODY ON EARTH speaks in favor of ALCOHOL ABUSE.

    You talked about not knowing any baptists who supported the responsible consumption of alcohol- I showed you that not only did most baptists but most Christians throughout HISTORY have practiced it- you don't care about the facts. I further pointed out that ON THIS VERY THREAD IN WHICH YOU ARE INVOLVED are SEVERAL baptists who believe the responsible consumption of alcohol is biblical.


    So I don't even know why you posted in this thread?
     
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