Building the kingdom of Christ is our job as ambassadors of Christ during the "progressive sanctification" part of the salvation program. And likewise Romans 13:13-14 is talking about following Christ's example, rather than as we walked before positional sanctification. And to address the "relationship" between the two citations is that once we are positionally sanctified, we are to be ambassadors for Christ, and to be an effective witness, we must be as Christ-like as possible. So we walk the talk while we witness to others with the ministry of reconciliation.
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Jesus Saves!
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As I was reading thru these posts, here are scriptures that came to mind.
Past
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJVS
[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Present
2 Corinthians 4:16 KJVS
[16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Future
Romans 5:8-10 KJVS
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. [10] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Past
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJVS
[13] In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [14] Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Present
2 Corinthians 4:16 KJVS
[16] For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
Future
Romans 5:8-10 KJVS
[8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. [10] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
So in your self righteousness....you condemn all Reformed persons...The Apostles, Reformers, Puritans.
You can see and judge hearts???
Alan Gross
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no teaching. if He did, all would.
If any die and go to Hell for which Jesus Died, there is no Saviour.
If any go to Hell for which Jesus Died, there are two= UNJUST Punishments, by both, for those sins.
This Biblical Teaching of 'The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, (of usward; implied antecedent ) but that all (of usward; implied antecedent ) should come to repentance.' II Peter 3:9, includes the words, "to us-ward, which the fleshly philosophy leaves out.
Alan Gross
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@WAJungleMonkey :
To answer your OP,
I see Paul's references to salvation being developed in quite a bit of detail in the epistles that the Lord had him write to the churches:
Salvation past includes foreknowing ( fore-loving ) an individual before the foundation of the world, predestinating them conformed to the obedient image of Christ, "calling" them through the power of the Spirit and in conjunction with His preached word, justifying them by the blood of His Son, and someday glorifying them with a new body that is completely sin-free and in no way tempts the forgiven sinner ( known to God as a saint and one of His elect ) to stumble into sin anymore.
That salvation is from the penalty of sin.
Salvation present deals with saving His child from their enemies ( Satan included ), from their every trouble, and giving them the power to overcome the world, the flesh and the devil.
Their faith and the comfort of the Holy Spirit are the greatest gifts that the Lord has given to them in this present world.
That salvation is from the power of sin.
Salvation future includes the new glorified body that is completely free from the taint of sin, their being joined, physically, in company with the entire body of Christ, and to see and walk with the Lord Jesus who loved them and gave Himself for them.
This salvation is from the presence of sin.
In other words, the work of God, as a whole, describes a deliverance from all that is sin and what formerly alienated the believer from Him...their heart's desire to love sin and to hate the Lord.
It is also a deliverance to all that is righteous and true, and most especially, a Person...
Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God.
For that is what eternal life really is...
To know God and His Son ( John 17:3 ).
He is our exceeding great reward.
confirmation: THE THREE TENSES OF SALVATION
T.P. Simmons
Salvation is a very broad term. C. 1. Scofield, in his comment on Rom. 1:16, says very aptly: "The Hebrew and Greek words for salvation imply the ideas of deliverance, safety, preservation, healing, and soundness. Salvation is the great inclusive word of the Gospel, gathering into itself all the redemptive acts and processes: as justification, redemption, grace, propitiation, imputation, forgiveness, sanctification, and glorification."
Salvation, therefore, in its broad sense, has to do with both the soul and the body, with the present life as well as with future life. It has reference, not only to the remission of sin's penalty and the removal of its guilt but also to the conquering of the power of sin and to the final removal of the presence of sin from the body.
It is only by recognizing this that one can grasp the full sweep of the Bible doctrine of salvation. And it is only by being able to classify each passage dealing with salvation on the basis of the foregoing facts that one can avoid the confusion that exists in the mind of the average believer.
We can best accomplish this end by noting that salvation is spoken of in three tenses, and in carefully considering each tense. All three tenses are roughly summed up in 2 Cor. 1:10: "Who delivered us (past tense) from so great a death, and doth deliver (present tense): in whom we trust that he will (future tense) yet deliver us."
I. THE PAST TENSE OF SALVATION We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin. Free Website Building Software | Create a Website - Homestead (1 of 4) [17/08/2004 10:18:41 a.m.]
SIMMONS- THE THREE TENSES OF SALVATION
Note the following passages: "Thy faith hath saved thee" (Luke 7:50). "By grace have ye been saved through faith" (Eph. 2:8) ...... who saved us and called us with a holy calling" (2 Tim. 1:9)."...according to his mercy he saved us" (Titus 3:5).
All of these passages, and many more like them, speak of salvation as a work finished in the past. This tense of salvation is coincident with the believer's past sanctification, as considered in the former chapter. It has to do (1) with the soul; (2) with the remission of sin's penalty, the removal of guilt, and even the removal of sin's presence from the soul. In this sense the salvation of the believer is complete. As we have said of justification, so we may say of this tense of salvation: it is an act, and not a process. It occurs and is complete the moment the individual believes. It admits of no degrees nor stages. It is under this tense of salvation that we are to classify the passages that speak of the believer as possessing eternal life now. See John 5:24; John 6:47; 17:2, 3; 1 John 3:13; 5:11, 13. This means simply, as expressed in John 5:24, that the believer has passed from under all danger of condemnation and the power of the second death.
II. THE PRESENT TENSE OF SALVATION We are being saved from the POWER of sin. "The word of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us who are saved (marg., are being saved) it is the power of God" (1 Cor. 1:18). The Greek participle in the above passage is in the present tense, and denotes "those being saved, the act . . . being in progress, not completed' (E. P. Gould). Free Website Building Software | Create a Website - Homestead (2 of 4) [17/08/2004 10:18:41 a.m.] SIMMONS- THE THREE TENSES OF SALVATION
It is with reference to the present tense of salvation that Phil. 2:12 speaks when it says: "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." The meaning of this passage is that the Philippian believers were to make effective in their lives the new life that God had implanted in their hearts. There are other passages in which salvation is not mentioned, which, nevertheless, refer to the present process of salvation; such as Rom. 6:14; Gal. 2:19,20; 2 Cor. 3:18. In the present tense of salvation, believers are being saved through the work of the indwelling Spirit from the power of sin to hinder the new life. It is thus equivalent to progressive sanctification.
It has to do not with the soul, nor with the body, but with the life.
We shall be saved from the PRESENCE of sin. In the following passages, salvation is spoken of as something yet future.
Rom. 5:9, 10; 8:24; 13:11; 1 Cor. 5:5; Eph. 1:13, 14; 1 Thess. 5:8; Heb. 10:36; 1 Pet. 1.5; 1 John 3:2, 3. Paul tells us in Rom. 8:23 what this future salvation is in the main.
It is "the redemption of our body," by which he means the application of redemption to the believer's body. This will take place in the resurrection of those who sleep in Christ (1 Cor. 15:52-56; 1 Thess. 4.16) and in the rapture of those who are alive at Christ's coming in the air (1 Thess. 4:17).
It is only then that the regenerated spirit will enter into the full fruition of salvation. Thus we read that the spirit is to be saved "in the day of the Lord Jesus" (1 Cor. 5:5). This tense of salvation has to do mainly with the body and the presence of sin in the body. It is under this head that we are to classify all the passages that speak of eternal life as something the believer will receive in the future. See Matt. 25:46; Mark 10:30; Titus 1:2; 3:7. Free Website Building Software | Create a Website - Homestead (3 of 4) [17/08/2004 10:18:41 a.m.] SIMMONS- THE THREE TENSES OF SALVATION Thus we have the beautiful harmony that exists between all the passages that touch on the subject of salvation. There is no conflict between these passages, because they refer to different phases of salvation. It is absurd and heretical for any man to take one set out of the three, no matter which set he takes, and seek to deny or nullify one or the other or both of the two remaining sets. The way of truth is to take all of them rightly divided. Let it be remarked in closing that salvation in all its tenses and phases is of the Lord. Paul gives us God's method of work in salvation from beginning to end in Phil 1:6 and 2:13. He begins the work of salvation and He carries it on to its consummation. All along the line He works in us "both to will and to do His good pleasure." Moreover it is all of grace through faith. "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith" (Rom. 1:17).
SavedByGrace
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moot argument!
God wills, desires, wishes, etc, that ALL human beings, especially His children, do not sin, YET we DO sin, every day! does this mean that God has somehow failed?
Alan Gross
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all human beings sin because they are Naturally Born sinners, since and because of being children of Adam, and that is all they can do prior to and apart from Partaking of The Holy Spirit , when and if Jesus Saves them, and this is no surprise to God.
flesh philosophy.
Jesus did not die for every human and there is no Bible Teaching of such, regardless of leaving out keywords in a passage.