Have/would you take the Covid vaccine? PT 2

[Wingman68]

Or one could choose dogma and make the same error over and over again and never learn anything.

Yup, sounds like you alright.........I just watched several medical whistle blowers who don’t want the vax but are being threatened, berated, & harassed daily by HR (the pencil pushers know best) to comply, who is giving pencil pushers the order to do so? That tells me that they don’t have the legal right to order employees to do it or they would have. Nurses are being told that without the vax they must work from home. That sounds doable, heh?

There is something more going on here than any ‘safety’ that this shot could possibly provide.
Was vaccine compliance always the goal? A vaccine that alters your DNA, & ruins your own natural immune system? That has only been foisted on us by implementing emergency measures, & is not yet actually approved? After the 1st step, lockdown of the world, killing the elderly in order to instill the necessary fear to get people to learn to comply.......everyone can now hurry to their nearest vax line to try to find their life again.
We better get used to complying (or not), because there will be more vaxes to follow. Guinea pigs.....welcome to your new utopia.

 

[JonC]

More like lack of trust for our lying govt. Why I want to trust companies who stand to make massive profits by earliest possible roll out of vaccine when those companies have NO liability if it injures me?
Doctors are so pre-programmed to blindly follow CDC that most are just lock step robots. It's time for a rebellion against tyrants. It's not time to blindly comply and follow.

I doubt the majority blindly comply and follow, but I am sure there are some on both sides (getting the vaccine and refusing to be vaccinated).

 

[Reynolds]

The SARS1 vaccine resulted in immune disease in animals and was pulled with no vaccine being needed.

How many people died of SARS1?
How many people died of COVID-19?
How many people died of the COVID-19 vaccine?

We don't know. Too many Covid deaths tht were not Covid deaths. I look at numbers more than I look at govt lies. I have a customer who has 7 funeral homes throughout Ga. He said he has buried all kinds of people who died of Covid. As he puts it, Covid cured every other disease. He said he is not burying anyone that does of anything but Covid. This is the telling stat. He buried less people in 2019 than 2018. Buried less in 2020 than 2018. On track to bury even less this year.
I guess Covid cured cancer and old age and pretty near everything else.

 

[Reynolds]

I doubt the majority blindly comply and follow, but I am sure there are some on both sides (getting the vaccine and refusing to be vaccinated).

Most blindly follow. They know nothing about it. Don't know it's not FDA approved. Don't know that animal testing was bypassed. Don't know they can't sue manufacturer. Dont know that the percentage of people dying of Covid with or without vaccine is statistically identical in USA. Yeah, pretty much blindly take it out of fear or peer pressure. Folks have lost the ability to tell Karen how to go pound sand. My wife gets mad at me all the time for telling off all the Karen's. I don't care. You love liberty or you are my enemy. Try to tell me I have to wear a mask or have to take vaccine; we gonna get into it. Hot and heated. In public, church, don't care where.
(Some know and choose anyway, but not the majority.)

 

[Reynolds]

Yup, sounds like you alright.........I just watched several medical whistle blowers who don’t want the vax but are being threatened, berated, & harassed daily by HR (the pencil pushers know best) to comply, who is giving pencil pushers the order to do so? That tells me that they don’t have the legal right to order employees to do it or they would have. Nurses are being told that without the vax they must work from home. That sounds doable, heh?

There is something more going on here than any ‘safety’ that this shot could possibly provide.
Was vaccine compliance always the goal? A vaccine that alters your DNA, & ruins your own natural immune system? That has only been foisted on us by implementing emergency measures, & is not yet actually approved? After the 1st step, lockdown of the world, killing the elderly in order to instill the necessary fear to get people to learn to comply.......everyone can now hurry to their nearest vax line to try to find their life again.
We better get used to complying (or not), because there will be more vaxes to follow. Guinea pigs.....welcome to your new utopia.

I will live free or die. I have no problem with that concept or it's implications.

 

[JonC]

We don't know. Too many Covid deaths tht were not Covid deaths. I look at numbers more than I look at govt lies. I have a customer who has 7 funeral homes throughout Ga. He said he has buried all kinds of people who died of Covid. As he puts it, Covid cured every other disease. He said he is not burying anyone that does of anything but Covid. This is the telling stat. He buried less people in 2019 than 2018. Buried less in 2020 than 2018. On track to bury even less this year.
I guess Covid cured cancer and old age and pretty near everything else.

How many COVID deaths do you think there were (just a guess...i.e. unline cancer deaths that have COVID as a primary cause)?

How many vaccine deaths?

 

[JonC]

I will live free or die. I have no problem with that concept or it's implications.

Dies that include those who have desire to take the COVID vaccine or only those who will refuse?

 

[JonC]

Most blindly follow. They know nothing about it. Don't know it's not FDA approved. Don't know that animal testing was bypassed. Don't know they can't sue manufacturer. Dont know that the percentage of people dying of Covid with or without vaccine is statistically identical in USA. Yeah, pretty much blindly take it out of fear or peer pressure. Folks have lost the ability to tell Karen how to go pound sand. My wife gets mad at me all the time for telling off all the Karen's. I don't care. You love liberty or you are my enemy. Try to tell me I have to wear a mask or have to take vaccine; we gonna get into it. Hot and heated. In public, church, don't care where.
(Some know and choose anyway, but not the majority.)

Perhaps. I have seen a lot of people blindly getting vaccinated. I have also seen a lot of people blindly following the anti- COVID vaccine position.

How do you know either constitute "most" (what are the numbers)?

 

[Reynolds]

How many COVID deaths do you think there were (just a guess...i.e. unline cancer deaths that have COVID as a primary cause)?

How many vaccine deaths?

We don't know. There are a huge number of reported vaccine deaths, but govt is dismissing as coincidental. We simply don't know.

 

[Reynolds]

Perhaps. I have seen a lot of people blindly getting vaccinated. I have also seen a lot of people blindly following the anti- COVID vaccine position.

How do you know either constitute "most" (what are the numbers)?

Do you think 51% of those vaccinated know at least what I mentioned?
Most of antivax know one fact. That fact is vaccine is too new to have any long term safety data. That is really the only point I look at. The rest is interesting, but really irrelevant because long term safety data would answer those questions and address those concerns.

 

[Reynolds]

Dies that include those who have desire to take the COVID vaccine or only those who will refuse?

More on the line of I will not comply and the Commies will have to kill me.

 

[JonC]

We don't know. There are a huge number of reported vaccine deaths, but govt is dismissing as coincidental. We simply don't know.

So you don't know if anyone has died of the vaccine or COVID-19?

 

[JonC]

More on the line of I will not comply and the Commies will have to kill me.

So you believe eopke should have the freedom not to take a vaccine but they should not befree to take the vaccine if they desire?

 

[JonC]

Do you think 51% of those vaccinated know at least what I mentioned?
Most of antivax know one fact. That fact is vaccine is too new to have any long term safety data. That is really the only point I look at. The rest is interesting, but really irrelevant because long term safety data would answer those questions and address those concerns.

I think 51% do. Those I have spoken to (granted, not 51%) have accepted that mRNA vacvibes do not have a history of success or failure.

But like you I do not have the numbers to back that up, so it is mere opinion.

 

[JonC]

Less than 4,900 post-vacvine deaths have occurred (not from the vaccine but people who were among the almost 300,000,000 who have taken the vaccine and then have died for whatever reason.

Using the anti-vacvine advocate method of discrediting COVID deaths (being consistent) then you definitely should not worry about the vaccines but should still have concerns about the virus.

 

[Reynolds]

So you don't know if anyone has died of the vaccine or COVID-19?

We don't know how many have died of either.

 

[Reynolds]

So you believe eopke should have the freedom not to take a vaccine but they should not befree to take the vaccine if they desire?

I believe you should be free to do either. I am not trying to stop anyone. More power to you.
I wish people would do what they truly wish. Not take it because, muuh wife won't quit nagging, muuh boss won't quit nagging, muuh mother in law won't shut up, muuh kids school, muuh school, muuh job. Etc.

 

[Reynolds]

I think 51% do. Those I have spoken to (granted, not 51%) have accepted that mRNA vacvibes do not have a history of success or failure.

But like you I do not have the numbers to back that up, so it is mere opinion.

You think 51% know that the vaccinated and unvaccinated death rates are near identical?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

For COVID-19 everything but the kitchen sink was characterized as death with it. But only about 5% of the deaths were caused by it.

 

[JonC]

We don't know how many have died of either.

If we assume COVID deaths are only those with COVID as a primary cause we know a great number have died.

If we assume death due to vaccine is only those who died as a reaction to a vaccine then there are very few.

But we typically go by our own experiences.

I told this before - our HVAC shop has 11 people. 6 were fully vaccinated and 5 declined. All 5 are sick with COVID with 1 (in his 30's) in the ICU. All 6 are fine and working.

Coincidence? Maybe.

I know 3 people with preexisting (but not terminal) conditions who died from COVID complications. I know 1 in her early 20's who had a stroke after COVID. And I know 6 vaccinated HVAC workers who were in close contact with COVID yet did not get sick. I know dozens who have been vaccinated (many elderly) with no complications (thus far).

Not scientific, but where the rubber meets the road it is enough for me making decisions about my own health.