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When a Gentile became a Christian, he became one of Christ's sheep--a Christian. When a Muslim converts to Christianity and becomes one of the sheep of Christ, he forsakes Islam and becomes a Christian. He is no longer a Muslim. There are no Christians among Muslims. If they are Christians, they are not Muslims. You cannot be adherents to both.
I would say it has to do with how serious the change is. If it changes why we do something, what is considered right or wrong, or if it changes the the identity of Jesus Christ, then I'd have to say they are worshipping a false God.
I would say it has to do with how serious the change is. If it changes why we do something, what is considered right or wrong, or if it changes the the identity of Jesus Christ, then I'd have to say they are worshipping a false God.</font>[/QUOTE]The biggest reason I ask has not as much to do with non-christian beliefs as it does our own, and how often I think we've modified our beliefs in favor of our understanding of the NT, while abandoning some core beliefs of the OT. I wonder if, when doing so, God forgives our actions as simple human imperfection and limited ability, or if our human error is a falsehood just as severe as in those non-christians we accuse. But I suppose that's a topic for a different thread.
this is not something that is possible, you do not just leave your culture. it is something that's part of you since the day you are born until the day you die. of course people adapt, but i don't believe that you can truly ever leave it behind, nor should you. there are many things that we can learn from other cultures, and they from us.
This is incorrect. Mohammed is considered the last and greatest prophet.
On point 1 - Leave your culture behind? The Spanish didn't do that in the 1400's. The first English and Dutch settlers didn't do that in the 1600's. The English founding fathers didn't do that in the 1700's. The Italians, Germans, and French didn't do that in the 1800's. The Hawaiians and Puerto Ricans didn't do that in the 1900's. If we had to all leave our cultures behind and stuck to the original culture, we'd all be Native American Indians.
This is not true. This is deliberate misconstrual of the facts on the part of the mulvis in Islamic lands. They don't wan't their people to know the truth. Thus they deliberately misrepresent Christianity. This has nothing to do with Mormon missionaries or the Mormon Church. No Christian has ever assumed such such a diabolical view. I personally have witnessed to many Muslims. It is their own perverted logic that leads them to believe this way, plus what they have been indoctrinated from their teachers.
Again this is a true statement. Their "Kalmah," or Creed, which they recite daily, reads something like this: "There is only one God, and Mohammed is his prophet." In Pakistan there is a defamation law whch reads: "that if any person should defame the name of Mohammed in any way and be found guilty, he should suffer the death penalty." Ultimately that law could lead to preaching on John 14:6, that Jesus is the Only Way to Heaven, and thus Mohammed is not the way--a defamation of Mohammed--and a great persecution of Christians. They haven't takent it to that extreme yet, but they could. Even now many Christians languish in prison unjustly charged under that law. Mohammed is indeed treated greater that Christ. He is the last and greatest of all the prophets, and treated as if he were God himself. They will die for the name of Mohammed.
Why do you defend the Muslim and slander Christians? The Mulvis, that is the Muslim priests deliberately misconstrue the facts of Christianity to keep their people in darkness. The Muslim view was never promoted incorrectly by us. Where are you getting this from? It is promoted from their own Koran and their own teachers.
That seems like a bit of speculation to me, but regardless of where people get that conception, (hehe, no pun intended) they have it. It's because of things like this that I think we would do well to be careful with our wording when speaking to Muslims. Instead of saying Jesus Christ, we'd be better to say Jesus the Messiah, or even better, Isa, which is a name they are familiar with and is not associated with things that offend them. As a sidenote, I sure hope you don't have the same derogatory attitude toward Muslims when you talk to them as you do here talking about them.
you're preaching to the converted, hun
</font>[/QUOTE]The statement that Jesus made when he said, I have other sheep not of this fold, was a prophetic statement, which you agreed was speaking of the Gentiles that would yet be saved after His death. The key here is that it was a prophetic statement. He was not speaking of Gentiles already saved, but Gentiles that were to be saved, such as Cornelius. When a missionary goes to an Islamic land he preaches to the lost--the Muslims. When the become saved, they become Christians, the sheep of Christ. They are no longer Muslims. You cannot be adherents of both religions. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. You cannot hold to Islamic beliefs and be a Christian at the same time. That is an impossibility. Ahh, I see where we may be getting confused. Okay, I don't think that the Christian view has been promoted incorrectly, and probably Johnv doesn't either, and nobody is slandering Christians, so calm down. We do promote Christianity in a way that we understand to be correct, but the error happens in interpretation. Between you sending a message and someone else receiving it, many many things happen. People of your own culture, religion, and background sometimes misunderstand you, and to a different culture, religion, AND background, more things get in the way of understanding. Most devout Muslims interpret what we say differently than we intended them to, for whatever reason. You suggest it's because they're deliberately misinformed, I suggest it's simply cultural. Whatever. But if you're trying to communicate something to someone, anyone, and they're not understanding it right, you'd be pretty stubborn to keep repeating the same thing over and over again. The best thing to do is find another way to communicate what's right, see if they understand you right. If not, find another way. Keep trying, it will take a while.