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He is the propitiation for our sins:

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Brightfame52

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No. This reconciliation is on going. ". . . to make reconciliation . . . ." 2 Corinthians 5:18-20, ". . . And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. . . ." The Apostle Paul and Timoty to some of the Corinthians at the Corinthian chruch. But we who are saved are already reconciled to God.
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You don't understand these things.
 
George Antonios

George Antonios

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This applies to all mankind by nature, elect and none elect.
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The elect are simply people who believed the gospel of their own free will.
God chooses to save those who choose his Son.
And of course, John 15:16 has nothing to do with salvation and everything to do with the ministry of service.
 
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Jesus being the propitiation for the whole world does not mean Jesus propitiated the whole world.

Only those placed into Christ receive the reconciliation provided by Christ's sacrificial death.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Brightfame52 said:
1 Jn 2:1-2

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


Who is the He here in Vs 2 and how is He the propitiation for our sins ?

The He here is found in Vs 1, Jesus Christ the righteous !

Now its important that He's called Jesus Christ the Righteous

First He's Righteous in and of Himself Acts 3:14;7:52, He's not like us who when we're born sinners, in and of ourselves, none is righteous Rom 3:10

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

This applies to all mankind by nature, elect and none elect.

But in addition to Jesus Christ the righteous being righteous in and of Himself, He also is the righteousness of all them He died for, all for whom He represented. Paul writes that of God Christ was made unto all for whom He lived and died 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

And included in His suretyship obedience for them He died, they are made righteous Rom 5:19

9 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Jesus Christ the righteous isn't only individually righteous in and of Himself but is also the righteousness of all for whom He propitiated God for, or all for whom He lived and died.
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Jesus, The Sin-Offering for the Whole World.
 
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Paul from Antioch

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Why must we quibble about these issues is beyond me. I realize that one's interpretation of what can be quite vague terms (Most likely [But not always intentionally!] due to one's theological viewpoints, e.g., Calvinistic vs "Non-Calvinistic." Instead of deeming a brother's/sister's opposing viewpoints as inherently heretical, IMHO doesn't seem to me to be "speaking the truth IN LOVE." Don't we who are saved have so much IN COMMON with each other to quibble over every single intricate matter (which, BTW, probably will NEVER be settled to each and every individual's satisfaction until we ALL reach heaven!!) that arises here on BB, to charge anyone who may differ in his/her interpretation(s) as being a her(him?)retic?? "When I was a child, I though like a child, but when I GREW UP, I put away CHILDISH things..." said the Apostle Paul. I would assume that everyone here on BB is now longer a child, but from the tenor of some BB posts, maybe my assumptions may need to be reassessed. "Can't we ALL just get along?"
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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George Antonios said:
The elect are simply people who believed the gospel of their own free will.
God chooses to save those who choose his Son.
And of course, John 15:16 has nothing to do with salvation and everything to do with the ministry of service.
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Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit which means only the born again can believe in Christ. The rest choose idols they call Jesus.
 
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SGO

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No man can come to me,
except the Father draw him:
and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:44

Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.
John 1:13
 
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AustinC

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Van said:
Jesus being the propitiation for the whole world does not mean Jesus propitiated the whole world.

Only those placed into Christ receive the reconciliation provided by Christ's sacrificial death.
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??? I assume you don't see your own contradiction, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you said
 
George Antonios

George Antonios

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1689Dave said:
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit which means only the born again can believe in Christ. The rest choose idols they call Jesus.
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Faith as a fruit of the Spirit to serve God and endure trials with thankfulness and joy is one thing, faith to believe the gospel is another.
There is faith as a gift of the Spirit after a man has already been saved:
1Co_12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit;
Evidently then, that kind of faith is not saving faith.

Joy is also a fruit of the Spirit, and lost people can have joy:
Pro_15:21 Folly is joy to him that is destitute of wisdom: but a man of understanding walketh uprightly.

Two kinds of joys, two kinds of faith. (Heb.4:12)
 
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