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Help me understand calvinism.

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Iconoclast

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Gorship
(If God operates that way he could have created a world where all people freely choose to love and obey Him.)

But rather God gets glory in damning the unrepentent that he could have)

No....if you agree with what I posted...there is no IF...AND NO COULD HAVE!!!
GOD IS PERFECTLY WISE.
He never needs plan B.
Plan A. Is right on schedule eph3:9-11
 
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Gorship

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Iconoclast said:
Gorship
(If God operates that way he could have created a world where all people freely choose to love and obey Him.)

But rather God gets glory in damning the unrepentent that he could have)

No....if you agree with what I posted...there is no IF...AND NO COULD HAVE!!!
GOD IS PERFECTLY WISE.
He never needs plan B.
Plan A. Is right on schedule eph3:9-11
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Who said anything about a plan b?

I'll need a response to my last post to go on.



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Iconoclast

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Gorship said:
Who said anything about a plan b?

I'll need a response to my last post to go on.



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You did not say...Plan b...but your post suggested what if, or God could have.
If you agree with what I said, then what God has indeed ordained to come to pass could not have happened any other way.
Your suggestion that things could have been any other way is not valid.
Your question calls into question the perfection of God Himself.
Think it out.
Has God offered and purposed something not perfect?
 
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Gorship

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In the context, knowing who would respond the affirmative to the offer of salvation.

Again though. None of this deals with compatabilistic freedom which to me is pretty evil.

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Reformed1689

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Gorship said:
In the context, knowing who would respond the affirmative to the offer of salvation.

Again though. None of this deals with compatabilistic freedom which to me is pretty evil.

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That's not what it means in the context or in the word definition itself. I suggest a word study and then look at the context again. It literally means to choose, to select, foreordain. This is in every major lexicon for that word which is proginosko
 
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Right cause I haven't studied it? You know this cause I don't believe as you do?

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Gorship said:
Right cause I haven't studied it? You know this cause I don't believe as you do?

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I didn't say that. But if you have studied it then you know you are incorrect. It is not knowing a choice that will be made. There is no way you get that from the context of the passage or the lexical meaning of the usage in the passage.
 
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Gorship

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I owe you nothing. Your making the claim I'm wrong. You asked me a question and I answered.

No answers from anyone on Compatabilistic freedom?

Sooner be a thiest than a calvy

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Reformed1689

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I owe you nothing. Your making the claim I'm wrong. You asked me a question and I answered.

No answers from anyone on Compatabilistic freedom?

Sooner be a thiest than a calvy

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Another anti-calvinist who can't actually refute the position....or support their own when shown to be in error....
 
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Another anti-calvinist who can't actually refute the position....or support their own when shown to be in error....
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Yea your real tough behind that keyboard Jr. Was the purpose of this OP to dispute calvy? Nope. Your making the claims. Show me I'm wrong.

Still nothing on Compatabilistic freedom.



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Reformed1689

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Yea your real tough behind that keyboard Jr.
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I'm tough in person too. Not sure why you feel the need for the personal attack. I simply pointed out you can't or maybe just won't refute the Calvinist position. It's an epidemic here amoung anti-calvinists.

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Was the purpose of this OP to dispute calvy? Nope.
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The OP was about understanding calvinism and you are going against one of the main points of it.

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Your making the claims. Show me I'm wrong.
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I have already shown how you are in lexical error. Contextually there is no way you get that foreknew is actually knowing what a person will choose and making that decision.
 
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I'm tough in person too. Not sure why you feel the need for the personal attack. I simply pointed out you can't or maybe just won't refute the Calvinist position. It's an epidemic here amoung anti-calvinists.

The OP was about understanding calvinism and you are going against one of the main points of it.

I have already shown how you are in lexical error. Contextually there is no way you get that foreknew is actually knowing what a person will choose and making that decision.
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Telling someone they're wrong isn't giving evidence for it.

Your arrogance is astounding.

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Reformed1689

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Telling someone they're wrong isn't giving evidence for it.

Your arrogance is astounding.

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Except that is what I did not do. Perhaps you missed it:

davidtaylorjr said:
That's not what it means in the context or in the word definition itself. I suggest a word study and then look at the context again. It literally means to choose, to select, foreordain. This is in every major lexicon for that word which is proginosko
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I gave you the lexical meaning shown in every major lexicon. By the way its also in every major study Bible and most of the major commentaries.

That's not arrogance, what is ridiculous is that you charge me with arrogance when you won't even engage my actual posts. You keep sputtering nonsense saying you don't owe me anything (not that I said you did) and then you say I just said that you were wrong? That's the same thing @Van does. He keeps saying I only said "taint so" when in fact, I have totally refuted his position and he refuses to engage just as you are doing now.
 
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Gorship wants an answer to the question, "If God created man with the ability to choose sin, and if God is in control of everything, determines everything, then how can the Calvinist claim God is not responsible for sin?"


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