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Herd Immunity Insanity!
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Logic, facts and experience tell me that you have a bad case of Determinism on the brain...
None of this is true. I pray you are not leading your congregation into danger with this mindset.
...more likely as a means to eliminate those old enough to be wise to the dangers of globalist schemes of socialism/communism/Marxism, leaving the younger and less experienced as easier prey. 'Boomer Remover'.
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Is that what you call faith in the God who spoke a word and the wind stopped, or healed people simply when they touched his garment? If so, then yes, and I am not ashamed at all.
I know whom I have believed and am convinced that he is able to keep me to the day of meeting God face to face.
You are wring on this one Rev. Time will show this is an escaped weaponized strand that defies common virus behavior.
I wonder if they've thought about who is going to support them when the government runs out of Boomer money.
Glad for your faith, bro, but be careful using it to shuck your responsibility to exercise common sense.
Again, have you failed to read what I have written?
Our difference seems only to be in our faith.
Well, that's nice. I also know know. Yet Christians for two millennia have died of plague, accidents, persecution and war. Do you think all of them were somehow lacking in faith or purity?
I think God ordained their homecoming by plague, accident, persecution and war. I also think God chose these deaths because God is good and his plans for us are good.
Not any of them were lacking faith. God gave them the measure of faith they needed.
We all lack purity. Only Christ Jesus is pure. Our acceptance by God is only because the Holy Spirit baptized us into Christ.
There is no guarantee we won't die horrific deaths that God ordained for us. May we carry that cross and ask God to give us the grace we need.
One of Jesus' temptations concerned tempting God by acting foolishly & trusting on God-given angels to protect him.
Faith needs to include common sense.
Agreed, but faith and fear do not mix. Often we believers use "common sense" as our excuse to give in to fear and thus justify it before God.
"God, I would have helped, but, common sense told me not to."
Do you think that Satan is tempting Christians to jump off the Temple in this situation? I don't think so. I think we will look to maintain diligent hygiene and recommended distancing. But, that does not mean we live in fear and refuse to assist out neighbor. We don't cower in fear. We live in faith.
American Silvio Canto, Cuban communist dissenter, quotes Business Insider that Italy has the oldest population in Europe with an average age in that country of 46. Combine that with a socialized medicine situation and you can see that healthcare will be rationed to the government favorites.
'Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world, with a median age of about 46 years old.
'Nearly 60% of the population is aged 40 and over, about 23% of which is over 65 -- heightening the population's risk with regards to the novel coronavirus currently spreading through Italy.'
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/getting_old_in_italy.html#ixzz6GrQhz7E1
'Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world, with a median age of about 46 years old.
'Nearly 60% of the population is aged 40 and over, about 23% of which is over 65 -- heightening the population's risk with regards to the novel coronavirus currently spreading through Italy.'
Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/03/getting_old_in_italy.html#ixzz6GrQhz7E1
The topic is Herd Immunity mentality wherein the thought in the UK is ignore social distancing and let the disease run its course, possibly infecting up to 40 to 60 million people. The idea is to let it peak and be done with it rather than have a second peak next year. This would no doubt have an impact world wide and would leave the first peak out of control and uncertainty with an extremely contagious and deadly disease. This is an insane risk and it ignores the value of using all means necessary to reduce the first peak and save many lives with the goal of the likely hood of having a vaccine before the second peak.
Your response is to say that “God is in control” – which is brainless reasoning, followed by your insinuations that others don’t have enough faith if they don’t think like you. You ignore reason while seeming to boast of superior faith apparently based on your logically theologically fatalistic beliefs that God is responsible for this evil disease and man should accept his destiny by letting it run it course without taking action to protect their fellow man.
Jesus prayed in the garden of Gethsemane in sorrow onto His death and in fear pleaded with His Father asking if it were possible that this cup be taken away – therein is a picture of faith and fear mixing but according to destiny and accepting the Father’s will in the matter of His sacrifice. Jesus could have brought down legions of angels but didn’t because He was pay the price for the good of man. In this situation, although we fear the challenge before us we take action in faith that whether we succeed or fail we know to be absent for the body is to present with the Lord.
Taking action in fear is not mutually exclusive to faith but to suggest inaction on the theological principle that God is in control is a fool’s errand.
God IS in control - whether you panic or totally ignore the problem.
If you just decide that all you are going to do is let the media direct your actions, then you are not relying on Him; conversely if you decide to totally ignore ANY sensible advice, then you are "tempting" Him - a definite NO-NO!!
Each person will have to make up his own mind as to the response to this virus in accordance with his faith in God's leading!!
Again, IMHO, either extreme is a lack of faith, and may or may not have other consequences down the road. (You are free to choose, BUT you are NOT free to choose the consequences of your choice!)
As for me & my family, we are planning(??) to just make a few adjustments (hands, proximity to others, church only [if in session] etc.) until and unless there is some major change in our community!
Delivered Meals on wheels this AM & ate at a local restaurant & just took normal precautions; nothing drastic or panicky, & let Him take care of all else!!
MARANATHA
If you just decide that all you are going to do is let the media direct your actions, then you are not relying on Him; conversely if you decide to totally ignore ANY sensible advice, then you are "tempting" Him - a definite NO-NO!!
Each person will have to make up his own mind as to the response to this virus in accordance with his faith in God's leading!!
Again, IMHO, either extreme is a lack of faith, and may or may not have other consequences down the road. (You are free to choose, BUT you are NOT free to choose the consequences of your choice!)
As for me & my family, we are planning(??) to just make a few adjustments (hands, proximity to others, church only [if in session] etc.) until and unless there is some major change in our community!
Delivered Meals on wheels this AM & ate at a local restaurant & just took normal precautions; nothing drastic or panicky, & let Him take care of all else!!
MARANATHA
Funny that you think trusting the Sovereign hand of God is brainless reasoning.
I will trust in the Creator. You can trust in science. Let us see who lives a more joyfilled life of ministry to others.
If God willed, he could stop this virus with a nod. Yet, you refuse to acknowledge God and instead trust in men.
So far death wins 100% of the time. Are you ready to stand before God and give an account for your rejection of faith?
Strawman fallacy. -and basically a lie.
False dilemma fallacy much.
I have no rejection of faith, pal. I just reject your mindless cosmic-conscience preaching of it along with your fallacious false dilemmas that are meant to boast about your own superior faith and the powers thereof.
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Yep, you have a faith problem.
No one has argued against caution. That's your false narrative.
I argue that you show no faith in God by stating that the only way Covid19 stops is by human action.
Have you ever tried prayer?
And you are breaking the rules of this board.
I addressed the topic in regards to your reply in post #35. Nothing false there...
Again, strawman fallacy. And again you question my faith!
I've prayed many times about this event. Have you tried considering that there are also other things that are prudent to do?
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