Heritage or Hate?

[Zaac]

Flags of the Confederate States

Designed by William Porcher Miles, the chairman of the Flag and Seal committee, a now-popular variant of the Confederate flag was rejected as the national flag in 1861. It was instead adopted as a battle flag by the Army of Northern Virginia under General Robert E. Lee.[31] Despite never having historically represented the CSA as a country nor officially recognized as one of the national flags, it is commonly referred to as "the Confederate Flag" and has become a widely recognized symbol of the American south.[32] It is also known as the rebel flag, Dixie flag, and Southern cross and is often incorrectly referred to as the "Stars and Bars".[33] (The actual "Stars and Bars" is the first national flag, which used an entirely different design.)
Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia

It is absolutely absurd to claim that a flag that WAS NOT the flag of the Confederate States is about heritage.

The Battle Flag was adopted by the KKK and other White Supremacist groups as their flag in opposition to integration. In the late 1940s, the flag was adopted as a symbol of the Dixiecrats -- a political party devoted to, among other things, maintaining segregation. They also opposed President Harry S. Truman’s proposals to instate anti-discrimination laws and make lynching a federal crime.

Some of the Dixiecrats went so far as to declare their commitment to “white supremacy,” according to The Confederate Battle Flag: America’s Most Embattled Emblem by John M. Coski.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/confederate-flag-racist_n_7639788.html

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Flags of the Confederate States

It is absolutely absurd to claim that a flag that WAS NOT the flag of the Confederate States is about heritage.

Umm...Southern armies did fly it, so, yeah, it is about heritage.

 

[carpro]

It wasn't about hate until democrats decided to use it as a symbol of their racist agenda.

 

[Zaac]

It wasn't about hate until democrats decided to use it as a symbol of their racist agenda.

It, the flag being flown today, is about hate and IS NOT the Confederate Flag. If it were really about heritage, folks would be flying an actual flag of the Confederate States and not , as you said, symbol of a racist agenda.

 

[carpro]

It, the flag being flown today, is about hate and IS NOT the Confederate Flag.

Only to a few. The same could be , and has been said, about the American flag.

 

[Alcott]

This must be a symbol of hate:

The Comanches took ["stole"] much of the southern plains from other tribes and attacked "immigrants," often abducting captives and subjecting them to torture and gang rape. One of their 'favorite' methods of execution was binding a naked man's hands and feet with stakes over a large ant bed, usually having cut off his eyelids.

Hate and evil are part of "heritage." Are you consistent about which symbols you want stashed away, TW?

 

[revmwc]

Flags of the Confederate States

It is absolutely absurd to claim that a flag that WAS NOT the flag of the Confederate States is about heritage.

It represents the battle that the South fought for the rights of the states to govern themselves in specific matters. The Civil war was more about states rights than anything else and that is the heritage of that flag.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/overview.html

The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries.

Did the southern States have a right to secede? Did the Federal Government have the right to keep territories from having slaves. The freedom of the Southern states slaves was not in question. Abolition was not part of the concerns of the southern states.

The Civil war was fought over the powers of the Federal government and it caused the deaths of thousands.

The battle flag of freedom represents the fight for the rights of the States and new territories to govern themselves on many issues. The Federal Government till that time had little authority.

Here is another excerpt of that battle still raging,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States

The United States government is based on the principle of federalism, in which power is shared between the federal government and state governments. The details of American federalism, including what powers the federal government should have and how those powers can be exercised, have been debated ever since the adoption of the Constitution. Some make the case for expansive federal powers while others argue for a more limited role for the central government in relation to individuals, the states or other recognized entities.

 

[revmwc]

This must be a symbol of hate:

The Comanches took ["stole"] much of the southern plains from other tribes and attacked "immigrants," often abducting captives and subjecting them to torture and gang rape. One of their 'favorite' methods of execution was binding a naked man's hands and feet with stakes over a large ant bed, usually having cut off his eyelids.

Hate and evil are part of "heritage." Are you consistent about which symbols you want stashed away, TW?

While for the American Indians "Old Glory" is a symbol of hate and evil. so do we also remove that flag from flying everywhere? Of course the Flag of the nations of Spain, France and the Britain are also offensive and represent evil to those native tribes so do we need to ban them also? Might as well begin the roll of everything that offends someone. Of course we know ultimately Churches will be told not to fly the Christian flag or put up cross because some find offense in them. Some have already requested all crosses be removed from national Cemeteries.

 

[Revmitchell]

If it were really about heritage, folks would be flying an actual flag of the Confederate States

This is called question begging.

 

[Zaac]

Deflection and false equivalency.

NEXT.

 

[Zaac]

This is called question begging.

You didn't say that I was incorrect in stating that it's about hate and not heritage.:laugh:

 

[revmwc]

It represents the battle that the South fought for the rights of the states to govern themselves in specific matters. The Civil war was more about states rights than anything else and that is the heritage of that flag.

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/overview.html



Did the southern States have a right to secede? Did the Federal Government have the right to keep territories from having slaves. The freedom of the Southern states slaves was not in question. Abolition was not part of the concerns of the southern states.

The Civil war was fought over the powers of the Federal government and it caused the deaths of thousands.

The battle flag of freedom represents the fight for the rights of the States and new territories to govern themselves on many issues. The Federal Government till that time had little authority.

Here is another excerpt of that battle still raging,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States

Here is a Quote which shows the flag is heritage not racist or hate,

“The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on till the last man of this generation falls in his tracks, and his children seize the musket and fight our battle, unless you acknowledge our right to self-government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence, and that, or extermination.”
President Jefferson Davis, C.S.A.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Umm...Southern armies did fly it, so, yeah, it is about heritage.

It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Doubting, why don't you fly a British flag? That is part of your heritage also. After all Georgia began as a British penal colony.

 

[Zaac]

It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Doubting, why don't you fly a British flag? That is part of your heritage also. After all Georgia began as a British penal colony.

Now that would be offensive CTB. The British tried to subject his ancestors. He couldn't dare fly that flag.

 

[Revmitchell]

It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Doubting, why don't you fly a British flag? That is part of your heritage also. After all Georgia began as a British penal colony.

Why do you not call for the taking down of the pyramids?

 

[Zaac]

Why do you not call for the taking down of the pyramids?

Another deflection via false equivalism.

 

[Revmitchell]

Another deflection via false equivalism.

I do not think you know what that is. However, if he is going to make an equivalency of flags from other nations then mine is appropriate.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Why do you not call for the taking down of the pyramids?

Why don't you begin to be honest and stop attempting to derail threads when you are shown to be wrong again, and again, and again?

I've never heard anyone say the pyramids are offensive. They are not to me.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why don't you begin to be honest and stop attempting to derail threads when you are shown to be wrong again, and again, and again?

So you cannot answer it? It seems you find yourself in a pickle here and are now deflecting.

 

[Revmitchell]

I've never heard anyone say the pyramids are offensive. They are not to me.

Why are they not offensive to you. They were built by slaver labor?