Hip hop church

[Rufus_1611]

LOL!!!! :laugh:

I know there are exceptions, but I noticed that a number of the KJV folks on here tend to be legalistic. I wonder if they're legalistic because they misunderstand things like this in the KJV, or if they misunderstand things like this in the KJV because they're legalistic?

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There may be a bit of truth in your post. I suspect that KJV folks believe they have the word of God in their hands and so they take it more seriously than those who think the word of God is in multiple versions or can only be discerned in the original Hebrew and Greek. Thus, the later group spends much of their time questioning the word of God whereas, the former group spends much of their time trying to conform to the word of God.

 

[mcdirector]

The answer is "Yes!"

Ed

Just what I was thinking.

 

[npetreley]

There may be a bit of truth in your post. I suspect that KJV folks believe they have the word of God in their hands and so they take it more seriously than those who think the word of God is in multiple versions or can only be discerned in the original Hebrew and Greek. Thus, the later group spends much of their time questioning the word of God whereas, the former group spends much of their time trying to conform to the word of God.

Here, I'll translate this for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're holier than thou because we use the KJV."

 

[Rufus_1611]

Here, I'll translate this for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're holier than thou because we use the KJV."

Likewise, I'll translate for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're more lascivious than thou because our many Bibles are soft on sin. Further, if we don't like what one version says we go to another, or go to the original languages and we'd much rather be lascivious and carnal, than receive stripes from the horrid accusations of being a "legalist".

 

[mcdirector]

There may be a bit of truth in your post. I suspect that KJV folks believe they have the word of God in their hands and so they take it more seriously than those who think the word of God is in multiple versions or can only be discerned in the original Hebrew and Greek. Thus, the later group spends much of their time questioning the word of God whereas, the former group spends much of their time trying to conform to the word of God.

Rufus, I think you are a dear, but I do think you have stepped over a line here.

I use the NASB primarily. I know I have the Word of God in my hand when I am holding it and reading it and studying it -- or the ESV or the KJV or the NKJV or several others in my hand. I take the Word of God very seriously.

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

Funny, I can't find KJV or MV in the original post.

Notice it is the one's against the KJV who derailed the topic of the OP?

I agree with Rufus though... the ones who are holding to the KJV are trying harder to conform to the Word of God than others.

Back to Hip-Hop...

It does not belong in the Sanctuary, let alone in the Believer's life.

 

[Amy.G]

Likewise, I'll translate for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're more lascivious than thou because our many Bibles are soft on sin. Further, if we don't like what one version says we go to another, or go to the original languages and we'd much rather be lascivious and carnal, than receive stripes from the horrid accusations of being a "legalist".

I cannot believe I just read that!

People who use other versions than the KJV are more lascivious??????

Are you kidding me???????

I have not found any version that is soft of sin.

Plenty of sin has been committed by people who only read the KJV.

UNBELIEVABLE!

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

Rufus, I think you are a dear, but I do think you have stepped over a line here.

I use the NASB primarily. I know I have the Word of God in my hand when I am holding it or the ESV or the KJV or the NKJV or several others in my hand. I take the Word of God very seriously.

If you take the Word of God very seriously, why use so many versions?

 

[mcdirector]

If you take the Word of God very seriously, why use so many versions?

I said I use the NASB primarily. I use the others because I work in an environment where they are used. When a kid comes to me with an NIV, I pull out an NIV.

 

[tinytim]

Music itself does not manifest evil? Music in and of itself does not represent evil? Music itself in some forms and fashions are not satanic in message and meaning, even without lyrics?

Now you are understanding!
Music in and of it self is amoral.

 

[tinytim]

If you take the Word of God very seriously, why use so many versions?

Because Jesus did...
He didn't use the underlying Hebrew of the KJV...

Compare his quotes with that in the OT of the KJV, and you will see this...

And if Jesus can use another version... I can too.. .as a matter of fact, we should use what Jesus did....

And it wasn't the KJV.

 

[CheeseCrackerKidd]

Now you are understanding!
Music in and of it self is amoral.

Music is not amoral.

 

[npetreley]

I cannot believe I just read that!

People who use other versions than the KJV are more lascivious??????

I know. But if you re-read the translation, it's just another way of saying "I'm holier than thou because I use the KJV". It just takes the reverse approach by saying, "You're less holy than me because you don't use the KJV."

Funny thing is that I often do use the KJV, although not the 1611 version.

 

[ccrobinson]

Rufus wrote:

Likewise, I'll translate for you so you can say it more simply next time. "We're more lascivious than thou because our many Bibles are soft on sin.

Simply untrue. You can preach against sin using the NIV just as easily as you can the KJV.

Rufus continued:

Further, if we don't like what one version says we go to another, or go to the original languages and we'd much rather be lascivious and carnal, than receive stripes from the horrid accusations of being a "legalist".

What's wrong with going to the original language for one who knows how to read Greek? Is the original Greek softer on sin than the KJV?

CheeseCrackerKidd wrote:

Music is not amoral.

I'm sure you won't mind pointing out which notes are inherently evil, then. While you're at it, please list the time signatures, key signatures and chords that are evil.

 

[tinytim]

Funny, I can't find KJV or MV in the original post.

Notice it is the one's against the KJV who derailed the topic of the OP?

I agree with Rufus though... the ones who are holding to the KJV are trying harder to conform to the Word of God than others.

Back to Hip-Hop...

It does not belong in the Sanctuary, let alone in the Believer's life.

No, it was a mis interpretation of "appearance" because of the age of the KJV....

 

[npetreley]

Music is not amoral.

Can you tell me which notes or combination of notes are immoral? I studied music theory for 10 years and I don't recall anyone teaching me which ones were immoral, outside of the early belief in the devil's triad (diminished 5th).

Oh yeah, since ccr mentioned it, there are also evil meters, etc. right? Which ones are those?

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[CheeseCrackerKidd]

Because Jesus did...
He didn't use the underlying Hebrew of the KJV...

Compare his quotes with that in the OT of the KJV, and you will see this...

And if Jesus can use another version... I can too.. .as a matter of fact, we should use what Jesus did....

And it wasn't the KJV.

Jesus did not use a version. He was the Word that came down from heaven and dwelt among men.

You say Jesus did not use the KJV... I submit to you He did not use the NIV, NASB, HCSB, ESV, ERV, Douay-Rheims, nor any other MV on the market.

 

[tenor]

Most all worship "style" (not content) is culturally based. We often tend to equate our style preference with being the "biblical" way of doing it.

Did Paul not say in 1 Cor. 9:22:

". . . I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (KJV)

". . . I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some." (NIV)????

Also, Philippians 1:18 says:

"What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice." (KJV) and,

"But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice." (NIV)

IMHO, Paul wold probably be supporting the "Hip-hop" approach.

Do I like the "hip-hop" style? no. Do I like "fragmenting" the body? Not really.

I do look at stlye as well a content when choosing a church. That's style in music as well as style in preaching and ministry. Two churches can be basically in content, yet very different in style o ministry, preacjhing and music. Each church, just like any individual, has a unique personality. Style and content are both expressions of this personality.

I'd like to recommend a book: "The Voice of Our COngregation: Seeking and Celebrating God's Song for Us" by Terry York and David Bolin. Its main premise is that each church its own unique voice for ministry and service to God. An excellent book for the study of worship and minstry context of the church.

To sum up my long post: If Christ is preached and people are comig to the Lord at a Hip-Hop, cowboy, liturgical, casual, Southern gospel, etc. church - May your tribe increase.

 

[Amy.G]

I know. But if you re-read the translation, it's just another way of saying "I'm holier than thou because I use the KJV". It just takes the reverse approach by saying, "You're less holy than me because you don't use the KJV."

Funny thing is that I often do use the KJV, although not the 1611 version.

I think that was the most offensive comment I have ever read on the BB. If that's not judging others, I don't know what is.

How about all the false religions like, JW's, Mormons, ect.ect. that only use the KJV? What's their excuse? Can't blame their heresies on other versions.

Sorry, I had to vent. That really made me mad. I expect an apology.

 

[jshurley04]

Personal Opinions = Scripture

Funny, I can't find KJV or MV in the original post.

Notice it is the one's against the KJV who derailed the topic of the OP?

I agree with Rufus though... the ones who are holding to the KJV are trying harder to conform to the Word of God than others.

Back to Hip-Hop...

It does not belong in the Sanctuary, let alone in the Believer's life.

That is just more of the same old sin of one person's personal opinion being elevated to that of scripture. Just because it is not your conviction that this type of style is expedient for you and your culture, does not mean that it is wrong for all cultures. If you would actually read your Bible outside of what some stupid preacher preaches and allow the actual Holy Spirit to guide your heart in many matters, you would find the freedom spoken of in Galatians and the liberty that we have in Christ not to have to conform to The Law or to man's additions. Quit being judiazers (sp?) and allow God to direct you and to direct others. Do NOT allow some MORON preacher to dictate your convictions, that is the job of the Holy Spirit. It is the job of the pastor to present and apply the Word of God, not to dictate it.