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SBCPreacher

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I get so tired of these same old, tired, judgmental arguments. "My music is better than yours." "My music can beat up your music."

It's all about our own personal preferences. I personally believe that the steel guitar came out of the pits of hell, but I won't knock someone using it to honor and glorify Christ through country gospel or southern gospel music.

Opinions are just that - opinions. They are not any more than that.
 
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npetreley

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Rufus_1611 said:
http://www.holyhiphop.com/
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Holy hip hop, batman!

From the site:

Man created Hip Hop, true. But, just like paper was invented by man to put the Word of God on it and made "Holy" to be used for His Purpose, Hip Hop can also be Holy" and be used for God's Purpose also (1 Cor 10:31). The Ark of The Covenant, though made by man, was just an ark until God made it "Holy". It was so "Holy" that anyone who touched it without permission was struck dead by God; please see 1 Chronicles 13:5-13. Verse 7 within that text throws out "the beat of a drum is evil" theory.

In Matthew 28:18-20, Jesus Christ gives His disciples The Great Commission to Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. As disciples of Christ, we are to share the gospel and make disciples of men. God has also given us guidance that we are to share the gospel message regardless of race, culture, or gender, according to Romans 3:29, Rom 1:16. The Apostle Paul gives us the prime example of how he became all things to all men that by all means he might win some, according to 1 Corinthians 9:19-23. In Acts 17:16-34, Paul shows how he used the existing culture of the people to preach to them Christ.
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ShotGunWillie said:
I can go through a list off the top of my head, if you would like. But I will ask you this before I do so, do you think satan is not in "christian music" industry. Do you think that everyone who plays a role in the producing of cds or concert management are Christians. Do you think every Christian artist on stage is actually a Christian? Do you believe that just because they make a Christian CD or sing a couple of songs about God, that they are saved? Or do you think that they couldn't hack it in the secular realm, so they took their "gift" to the Christians, because it is so much easier to "fool" them and they all jump on the hottest new fad that is labeled "Christian".
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No...that is why "discernment" exists.

And musicians don't have the market cornered in deception. Preachers, pianists, children's workers, etc., are all capable of sin, deception, and "looking good" while spiritually dead.
 
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rbell said:
No...that is why "discernment" exists.

And musicians don't have the market cornered in deception. Preachers, pianists, children's workers, etc., are all capable of sin, deception, and "looking good" while spiritually dead.
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Excellent point.
 
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What scripture did he read from in Luke 4?

It does not match what is in the KJV.

He did to use a version..
And while I am disagreeing with you...

Music is amoral... :laugh:
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Tim, I don't think he was addressing specific verses as it look as if his quote was a general one (at least what you quoted).

I already called for a truce in regards to the KJV issue. Did you miss it?

(and to calm any worries, no, I am not fearful or any of the such to address that issue. If one is a KJVo you see the same arguments over and over and as a result you give the same answers to the non-KJVo's who have heard the same answers over and over who in turn give the same arguments over and over and in turn get the same answers over and over... I think you know what I mean).
 
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If we continue to say that anyone who doesn't think and act and sing and play like "me" is evil, then we'll continue to have churches with only people who think and act and sing and play like "me." We'll never reach "them."

Keep in mind that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again always looking for a different result.
 
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npetreley said:
I don't know about that. I like (most of) the case they make on this page:

http://www.holyhiphop.com/streetgospel101.html

I haven't listened to any of their music, and I would rather not (since I don't like rap or hip hop) but unless it really contradicts their argument, I wouldn't expect it to be bad.
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Well, that's quite a long page, and discussing it here might unintentionally derail this thread, which we don't want to do.

So, why not start a thread on that page, and let's dissect and discuss.

Helps me getting to 4000 posts. wot ?
 
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Music itself without lyrics has certain powers over the hearer of it.

For instance, we have all heard the phrase 'Music to calm the savage beast.'

Music does not have to have lyrics to have certain effects on people.

In 1 Samuel 16, an evil spirit left Saul after David played the harp with no singing.

Music can chase away evil spirits, and can also move God to help man.

In 2 Kings 3, Elisha was able to prophesy after calling for a harpist and listening to him play.

In Isaiah 30, God's judgment on Assyria was with every beat of the tamborine.

Music indeed is not amoral. It can cause one to be submitted to God, or to the flesh. (thanks, cc)
 
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npetreley

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pinoybaptist said:
Well, that's quite a long page, and discussing it here might unintentionally derail this thread, which we don't want to do.

So, why not start a thread on that page, and let's dissect and discuss.

Helps me getting to 4000 posts. wot ?
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Well, I don't agree with everything on the page (which is why I added "most of") but it is very relevant to this thread, isn't it? Doesn't matter to me, though. The first section uses a LOT of scripture and makes good arguments, so I hope people will read it. Whether or not they agree, it's interesting.
 
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Music indeed is amoral. It can cause one to be submitted to God, or to the flesh.
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I think we have a subject for a different thread, probably best discussed in the Music Forum. Is the kind of music one listens to the result of submitting to God or the flesh, or is it the cause?

Wait a second.

I thought you were arguing that music isn't amoral?
 
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Archeryaddict

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every country has it's own type of music.Where did hip hop come from?It was born in sin and for us to take it and bring it into our churches is just wrong.So many killings and other crimes have been associated with this junk.To replace Jesus name with "hoe ,crack. b-th and all that other filth is just wrong.We are to up hold the name of Jesus and not bring it down to the level some money grubbers are trying to do.People have reasons for what they do,Some of it is not of God.Case in point.Most singers get their start in church than they go out into the world to make money.These Hip hop people are just using the church to further their own carreers and we are letting them.Shame on us.:tear:
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ya and where did honky tonk music derive from? I dont see any of you good ol boys down talking southern gospel which sounds like it originated out of Gilleys Bar.
everyone is real quick to want to pull the splinter out of someone elses eye here but cant see to pull it out for the telephone pole in their own eye.

if the Lyrics Glorify God it should not matter what Genre it sounds like
this thread is ridiculus.

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CheeseCrackerKidd

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Archeryaddict said:
ya and where did honky tonk music derive from? I dont see any of you good ol boys down talking southern gospel which sounds like it originated out of Gilleys Bar.
everyone is real quick to want to pull the splinter out of someone elses eye here but cant see to pull it out for the telephone pole in their own eye.

if the Lyrics Glorify God it should not matter what Genre it sounds like
this thread is ridiculus.

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It matters to God
 
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tenor

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ccrobinson said:
I think we have a subject for a different thread, probably best discussed in the Music Forum. Is the kind of music one listens to the result of submitting to God or the flesh, or is it the cause?
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Very good point. However, we all do not react in the same way to the same musical stimulus. Why? Cultural norm and conditioning.

I cannot go to sleep with music playing. Why? The potential non resolution of a chord will ogften wake me up. Others go to sleep with music playing quite often. this is an example of conditioning. I am mostly always actively listening to music, I can't not listen if it is playing in the background. I have to either be performing or actively listening. Music cannt be "just in the background" for me.

Cultural conditioning.
 
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