Hispanics largest U.S. minority

[Johnv]

The difference we are talking about here is illegal residence in a country.
No the topic is about the demographic change in ethnicity. You're used it as an opportunity to post remarks about Mexican illegal immigration, which is a separate issue.

No matter where they're from, but the thread is about Hispanics.
Yes, Hispanics, not Mexicans, not illegal aliens. Read my earlier post about the abundance of non-Mexican Hispanics.

You've pretty much equated "Hispanic" with "Mexican". You've also equated "Mexican" with "illegal alien". Now you're equating "Hispanic" with "illegal alien".

Ya know, I love you as a member of Christ's family, but it concerns me that your heart is so full of hate that you need to single out a group of people based on their skin color. This is not a healthy attitude.

[ January 23, 2003, 09:00 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]

 

[LadyEagle]

Johnv: Ya know, I love you as a member of Christ's family, but it concerns me that your heart is so full of hate that you need to single out a group of people based on their skin color. This is not a healthy attitude.

You know my heart?? That's pretty scary!

The figures in the population don't differentiate between Hispanics here legally and those here illegally, do they? Or did I miss something?

BTW, I don't group Hispanics & Mexicans interchangeably. There is a big difference! Even in the Spanish! In food. In culture. You see, it might AMAZE you to know, I have friends who are Mexicans. I have a close friend who is from Puerto Rico, (which is part of the US, BTW), one of the sweetest people I've ever known. Been in this country for 60 years. But he assimilated. He's American through & through! And wouldn't have it any other way. And I would scream at anyone who made any kind of hateful remark to him or be mean to him.

I have friends of other nationalities, as well. But they all entered the country LEGALLY.

Perhaps you are looking for racist comments when none are intended, Johnv.

Interestingly, I've observed that usually the first person to accuse someone of bigotry or racial hatred is the one who has issues of their own. Especially when racial comments have not been made or intended. I'm Caucasian. Perhaps you have issues with that. And I'm a woman. Perhaps you have issues with that.

Perhaps one should examine one's own heart before one jumps to conclusions about someone on the board they have never met?

Because I am against people entering my country illegally, including those who overstay their visas, fly jets into tall buildings murdering 3000 people, and because we are supposed to be fighting a war on terror and our borders are still wide open, that makes my heart full of hate? Or because I am against the AZTLAN / Reconquista Political Movement, I have a heart full of hate? Well, spare me.

 

[Shqippy]

I don't think you should criticize folks for misunderstanding your heart when you've been railing against Hispanic culture. Re-read your earlier posts.

In answer to your question, I was a Baptist missionary for 2 years in Eastern Europe.

 

[Ben W]

This happens in all countries. Australia is a melting pot of all nations. Yet we took possesion of the land from the Aborigines, who had migrated here from Asia.

Britian colonised New Zealand and assimilated the Maori's into the culture, who had in turn taken the land from the Pacific Islanders.

Who had America First? Obviously the American Indians, who had their own foods, language and Culture.

Everyone has to learn to get along with each other. remember God loves each one of us the Same. I am tipping a massive Hispanic community in Heaven.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Shqippy:
I don't think you should criticize folks for misunderstanding your heart when you've been railing against Hispanic culture. Re-read your earlier posts.

In answer to your question, I was a Baptist missionary for 2 years in Eastern Europe.

I didn't "rail" against Hispanic culture. I have railed against illegal immigration. I have railed against those coming here who do not desire to assimilate.

Only a liberal favoring wide open US borders would jump to a conclusion that defending national sovereignty and defending our borders against ILLEGAL ALIENS is a race issue.

Living in the United States is a privilege - NOT A RIGHT! Especially if done illegally.

Another fact:

In the United States, about two-thirds of Hispanics are of Mexican descent.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/3/7/174140.shtml

(Comment: Not Puerto Rico.)

And liberals, when cornered, are notorious for starting personal attacks when they have no documentation to back up their claims. This is an old tactic on this board.

BTW, do they have a lot of illegal Hispanics in Eastern Europe?

 

[TheOliveBranch]

I think this issue goes alot deeper than what is mentioned.

A few years ago I attened a meeting where a speaker was talking about hiring minotiries, black and hispanic. He talked about how they can be transported into smaller towns from large cities. In his opinion, this would cut down on inner city problems, giving businesses good laborers and the workers neeeded to do the "other" jobs that were hard to fill. Transportation provided by the business owner would assure these workers of a way to work, and would eliminate sick days and tardiness.

What a joke. Yet most business owners agreed to his proposal. What do you think of this proposal?

 

[InHim2002]

At the current rate, it is reported the US will only be 53% white by the year 2020

so what? why is that important?

The thread is about minorities and the U.S. population. According to your profile, you don't live in the U.S., so what's your beef

I just have a problem with your racist statements, that's all

[ January 24, 2003, 09:54 AM: Message edited by: InHim2002 ]

 

[LadyEagle]

It is a joke. Here's some more interesting facts on the issue:

Nearly 29 percent of the foreign-born population, or 8.8 million, came from Mexico, the survey estimated.

About 78 percent of the foreign-born from Mexico were not U.S. citizens, compared with half of those from Asia and 45 percent of native Europeans.

While the survey did not provide estimates of undocumented immigrants, an unofficial Immigration and Naturalization Service estimate places the number of illegal aliens in the country at roughly 7 million, with 5 million entering during the 1990s. Others have placed the illegal immigrant population to as high as 8.5 million.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/08/06/national/main305026.shtml

What Hispanic Americans (Legal immigrants) think:(Comment: Perhaps these Hispanic-Americans who feel as I do are RACISTS and have hate in their hearts, too? )

• 89% of Hispanic Americans strongly support an immediate moratorium on immigration. 74% feel fewer immigrants should be allowed and stronger restrictions should be enforced. (Hispanic USA Research Group, June 1993)

• Hispanics favor reducing immigration by a margin of 53% to 35% in Texas, 48% to 40% in New York, and 47% to 39% in Florida. Rudolfo de la Garza, a University of Texas at Austin professor and one of the directors of the study, said: “U.S born Mexican-Americans believe that they suffer a lower quality of services because of the excess demand on them generated by the immigrants.” (Tomas Rivera Center, March 1996)

• 43% of Hispanics nationwide think the government is not doing enough to stop illegal immigration. The more established Hispanics are in the United States, the more likely they are to think the government is not doing enough to curb illegal immigration. 37% of foreign-born Hispanics believe not enough is being done; that belief increases to 45% of first-generation Hispanics and half of second-generation Hispanics. (San Jose Mercury News, October 2000)

CALIFORNIA

• 82% of Californians believe that the projected population growth during the next 20 years will make the state a less desirable place to live. Over 80% of California’s growth is due to immigration. (Public Policy Institute of California, May 2001)

• 50% of California voters oppose granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, versus 34% who favor it. (Zogby, April 2001)

COLORADO

• 68% of Colorado voters say overpopulation is a major problem in Colorado. Only 2% of voters believe that the state needs to expand its population at all, yet the state is projected to increase its population by 67%, from 4.3 million today to 6.4 million in 25 years. 61% want the federal government to lower immigration levels to reduce the environmental impact and development pressures on communities across the nation. (Ridder/Braden, March 2001)

http://www.npg.org/specialreports/imm_americans_spoken.html

From stats I've seen, it would seem legal immigrants or those who were BORN in this country, no matter what nationality, are more in favor of restricted immigration policies, than those who are first generation immigrants or are here illegally.

[ January 24, 2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: SheEagle9/11 ]

 

[Shqippy]

SheEagle, when have I "started a personal attack" upon you? I merely accused you of railing against Hispanic culture, like in this post:

"No differently than if a bunch of Caucasians illegally invaded Mexico, refused to speak Spanish, refused to take siestas during the work day, and insisted on eating only American fast food. Or worse yet, kosher. Oh, I forgot about the free health care issue, too.

Let's just make Mexico the 51st STATE and solve all the problems. How big do you think that idea would fly south of the border?"

In answer to your other question, no, there aren't many Hispanics in Eastern Europe. All the Latin Americans I knew there were missionaries, for example the pastor who founded our church.

If your problem is truly with illegal immigrants, why are you even talking about the things you don't like about Hispanic culture? Why have you painted yourself into such a corner that you now have to try to convince us that you have friends who are Hispanic? It seems a little odd.

 

[LadyEagle]

Shqippy, are you trying to miss the point of my posts on purpose?

The issue is illegal immigration and left wing political social agenda of not "ASSIMILATING.".

Johnv started this discussion by not seeing a big deal.

I proved via links re: AZTLAN and mention of the political Reconquista movement, that it IS a big deal to conservative Americans.

For someone who is new to the board, you certainly have jumped in on this issue without providing any constructive comments, or links, just attacks.

I think that is a little odd, myself.

So, originally Johnv didn't think this was a big deal. The fact this thread has stretched into several pages proves otherwise.

Now I think I'll go have some chicken chimichanga & fried beans & rice. Excuse me...it's not any good warmed over.

 

[Candide]

Originally posted by SheEagle9/11:
Shqippy, are you trying to miss the point of my posts on purpose?

The issue is illegal immigration and left wing political social agenda of not "ASSIMILATING.".

Johnv started this discussion by not seeing a big deal.

I proved via links re: AZTLAN and mention of the political Reconquista movement, that it IS a big deal to conservative Americans.

For someone who is new to the board, you certainly have jumped in on this issue without providing any constructive comments, or links, just attacks.

I think that is a little odd, myself.

So, originally Johnv didn't think this was a big deal. The fact this thread has stretched into several pages proves otherwise.

Now I think I'll go have some chicken chimichanga & fried beans & rice. Excuse me...it's not any good warmed over.

You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in this country are indeed legals? And you do realize that the groups you mention are fringe elements hardly representative of the Hispanic population?

This conversation is tantamount to "We have a whole lot of Germans in this country. Doesn't ANYONE remember the NAZIS?!?!?!!?"

The only difference is that there were a lot more German Nazis.

[ January 24, 2003, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: Candide ]

 

[Shqippy]

Originally posted by SheEagle9/11:
Shqippy, are you trying to miss the point of my posts on purpose?

The issue is illegal immigration and left wing political social agenda of not "ASSIMILATING.".

**I haven't seen any argument here in favor of illegal immigration. As for assimilating, do you also disapprove of the Amish?

Johnv started this discussion by not seeing a big deal.

I proved via links re: AZTLAN and mention of the political Reconquista movement, that it IS a big deal to conservative Americans.

For someone who is new to the board, you certainly have jumped in on this issue without providing any constructive comments, or links, just attacks.

**Attacks? Hmmm. By the way, here's a link for further discussion of the topic:
http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~jar/NALI2.html
Would you like an apology for not being on the Baptist Board for as long as you have, by the way?

I think that is a little odd, myself.

So, originally Johnv didn't think this was a big deal. The fact this thread has stretched into several pages proves otherwise.

Now I think I'll go have some chicken chimichanga & fried beans & rice. Excuse me...it's not any good warmed over.

 

[LadyEagle]

Candide: You do realize that the overwhelming majority of Hispanics in this country are indeed legals? And you do realize that the groups you mention are fringe elements hardly representative of the Hispanic population?

Candide, go back & read my earlier post in this thread under...

What Hispanic Americans (Legal immigrants) thinkComment: Perhaps these Hispanic-Americans who feel as I do are RACISTS and have hate in their hearts, too? )

I still think this could all be resolved & billions of dollars saved if we just make Mexico the 51st state.

 

[Johnv]

The issue is illegal immigration and left wing political social agenda of not "ASSIMILATING.".
No, the issue was the change in ethnic demographics, in which the percentage of Hispanics grew.

Johnv started this discussion by not seeing a big deal.
I still don't.

I proved via links re: AZTLAN and mention of the political Reconquista movement, that it IS a big deal to conservative Americans.
What has nothing to do with the topic, since AZTLAN si specific to Mexicans, not Hispanics in general. BTW - I don't consider the activist link that you provided to be reputable. And I speak as a conservative American.

So, originally Johnv didn't think this was a big deal. The fact this thread has stretched into several pages proves otherwise.
The orignial topic is not a big deal. Your segways to illegal immigration, and the way you did it, IS of concern.

I also find it interesting that you mention that you have a friend from Puerto Rico, which you say is part of the US (which is correct). Then, you say he's been in this country for 60 years. Uhhh, to correct you, he's been in this country his whole life. Then you say he's assimilated. What do you mean assimilated? Puerto Rican culture is part of the American culture, so there's nothing to assimilate.

Come to think of it, I don't even know what the deal is with assimilation. That's got absolutelly nothing to do with the topic. The English didn't assimilate when they came over, neither did the Dutch. The ethnic and cultural differences between the 1600's the 1700's and the 1800's are dramatically different, in large part because of the influx of different ethnicities. Today, we think of those things as american, but then, they were far from.

But if you want everyone to assimilate, then don't come here to California, where Mexican culture has been prevalent for hundreds of years. Mexican heritage IS part of the American culture, just as Puerto Rican culture is, just as New England culture is, just as every other culture is. And don't even get me started on what we did to the native american culture.

 

[LadyEagle]

Johnv:And I speak as a conservative American.

When did you change your ideology? Is this a recent event? The issue isn't race. The issue is ideology, once again, as it is on every issue.

Johnv: Then, you say he's been in this country for 60 years. Uhhh, to correct you, he's been in this country his whole life.

Wrong. He came to America when he was in his teens. He became a naturalized citizen.

Johnv:Come to think of it, I don't even know what the deal is with assimilation. That's got absolutelly nothing to do with the topic. The English didn't assimilate when they came over, neither did the Dutch. The ethnic and cultural differences between the 1600's the 1700's and the 1800's are dramatically different, in large part because of the influx of different ethnicities. Today, we think of those things as american, but then, they were far from.

They spoke English or if they didn't when they got off the boat, they quickly learned. They came over legally, not sneaking over the borders. They wanted to be AMERICANS, not hyphenated-Americans, i.e. African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans.

Johnv: But if you want everyone to assimilate, then don't come here to California,

Don't worry. I have no desire to visit the LEFT coast. I'll stay in Bush Country, thank you. I hear the crime rate is really bad in California.

 

[Johnv]

When did you change your ideology? Is this a recent event? The issue isn't race. The issue is ideology, once again, as it is on every issue.
I've always been conservative. Just not conservative extremist.

He became a naturalized citizen.
Okay, I can accept that, being a naturalized citizen myself, but you confused me when you said he's from Puerto Rico. Puerto Ricans are US citizens by birth, I'm sure you know.

They spoke English or if they didn't when they got off the boat, they quickly learned. They came over legally, not sneaking over the borders. They wanted to be AMERICANS, not hyphenated-Americans, i.e. African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans.
Or Italian Americans, or German Americans, or Irish Americans. Yes, I'm one of the folks off the boat (well, off the plane, actually), and I learned to speak English. So well, in fact, that no one can tell it's not my first language. And yes, I get frustrated that others who come here don't learn the language. But I don't group Hispanic Americans together as a bunch of illegals who can't speak the language.

Don't worry. I have no desire to visit the LEFT coast. Yeah, we've turned out lots of leftist folks like Reagan, Nixon, etc. You obviously don't realize that California generally leans toward the right, and my area (Orange County) is traditionally Republican. But what's the best thing about this area is that both Democrats and Republicans here vote on issues, not parties. I prefer it that way.

I hear the crime rate is really bad in California.

That's news to me. I guess people will think that of you when your state has one of highest gross state products in the country, and the 9th largest GDP in the world.

 

[LadyEagle]

Johnv: I've always been conservative.

Good. Now we can be buds.

You obviously don't realize that California generally leans toward the right, and my area (Orange County) is traditionally Republican.

One of the criteria for my opinion was the red / blue map for 2000 election. Remember? That's why I said I'll stay in Bush Country.

(PS: Have you calmed down yet? Highly recommend Gevalia Chocolate Raspberry Kaffe for these tension / stress postings...LOL! It's the best; imported, too. Or did you kick it (coffee) for good? )

 

[Johnv]

Yep, CA's 54 electoral votes went to Gore. I believe the margin was slight, as I think it was in many states.

And I prefer and recommend Girl Scout thin mints frozen for about 1 hour prior to eating

 

[LadyEagle]

And I prefer and recommend Girl Scout thin mints frozen for about 1 hour prior to eating

Oh, yeah.

 

[Ben W]

Intersting to note that Jesus Christ was in fact a refugee from another country.