Historic Baptist Beliefs on the Resurrection and Judgment

Ed and DeafPostTrib,

Ed, it looks like our friend DeafPostTrib has
ignored the reality and necessity of a 1000
year period, following the second coming, so
that the Martyrs may "serve God in heaven's
Temple" while it is still "day and night" on
earth. For there will be "no temple and no
day and night" after the 1000 years end. Rev.
21:22,25. But note Rev.7:15-17's "day & night"!

Jesus knew this when He said there was "an"
Hour (not THE Hour) coming to raise up both the righteous and the unrighteous! He had the 1000-year period in mind when the Martyrs serve God in the NEW JERUSALEM while it is still in heaven. They win the reward promised to the
Church in Rev.3:12. For there will be NO
Temple when the "New Jerusalem comes down over/
upon the earth" 1000 years later.

When Peter writes that "we are A people of God"
but at one time were not "A people of God", he
allows that there are two "peoples of God" at
one and the same time . . . even though He has
turned His face away from His former people!!

When God no longer "hides His face from His
former people (Ezek.39:29), He will pour out
His Spirit on the WHOLE House of Israel". That
means, contrary to our two Amillennarian Bros.,
that the whole House of Israel has not YET been
saved as Paul says will happen when "Messiah
comes out of Zion". That's when the Jews will mourn and beg to escape His wrath. Rom.11:25-27;
Luke 21:34-36; Matt.24:30; Rev.1:7; Zech.12:10.

Only then God "remembers their sins no more"!
And WHY? Because He has promised an eternal
kingdom for Abraham's natural seed that requires
the return of Christ to "redeem" them on the Day
that comes "suddenly, unawares, like a snare and
no one can escape" EXCEPT those who call on the
name of the Lord and "keep begging to escape and
to prevail in standing before the Son of Man".
Luke 21:28,31,36.

So the absence of "THE" in John 5:28 permits
the required 1000 year separation between the
First Resurrection that includes the Martyrs
AND the time to raise up unbelievers at the
"second death". WE ARE PRE-MILLENNIALISTS!

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

This is typical of OR.

 

'OR'?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

'OR'?

You mean OldRegular? That is not his opinion. That was the fact what the Early Christians believed. Today, many baptists' beliefs are not same as what early baptists believed.

The doctrine of eschatology have been changed lot in the last 300 years because of men's teachings. That why we have to be careful what we listening and reading to any men's teachings. Because there are too many different views, opinions on the end times. There are too many false teachings out there today.

There is not a single passage find anywhere in the Old Testament saying there shall be two resurrections or two judgments. Daniel chapter 7 and 12 both are the clearest passage mentioned on general judgment and a single resurrection at Lord's coming.

All 66 books were canon together fit perfect so beautiful, no accident. All of these are inspired and God-breathing. Throughout in the Bible teaching there is only one judgment day for every creatures(person).

Later I will discuss more about 'temple' as what Miller posted recently today.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

OR asks:
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"Does your First Resurrection occur before the Great Tribulation or after Great Tribulation"?
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The answer is so definite that one must wonder
how the "last day" could mean anything other
than the Day Christ is revealed to destroy all
the wicked and also those who refuse to repent.

"All believers will rise up on the last day"!

You have not once commented on the fact that
the 1000-Year Reign of Christ begins with the
Resurrection of all those who have "died in
the Lord" . . . because they do not begin to
"serve God in the Temple of heaven" until they
come out from under the Altar on the last day.

That is why their having "lived" as of the last
day is in the aorist indicative (done deal) but their reign with Christ for 1000 years is in
the future tense as of the last day. Rev.20:6!

That is also why the "rest of the dead" did not live (as of the last day; aorist indicative)
because they will remain dead "until the 1000
years SHOULD BE FINISHED"! (Aorist Subjunctive)!

The future tense for the Martyrs' reign with
Christ begins their reign when Christ comes.

The change FROM the aorist indicative for the continued state of death for the "rest of the dead" TO the aorist subjunctive requires that
their future resurrection must wait "until the 1000 years SHOULD BE FINISHED". This change demands that they remain dead while all the Martyrs "serve God and reign with Christ in the Temple of heaven" for that same period. Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.20:4,6.

Mel Miller Junior www.lastday.net

 

Yes.
Part one of the First Resurrection: before
Part two of the Second Resurrection: after

The inhabitants of each phase of the
FIRST RESURRECTION are named in
Revelation 20:4.

In the recent past, if a person search Google for:
4203 rapture site:baptistboard.com you will
get 237 hits. Check the board first to see if the page
is still there; check the 'Cached' if not (it may be stored
in Google space).

I do nothing but prove the pretribulation rapture from the
Holy Bible. I don't use early church fathers, I don't use
17th Century English Baptist writings. I just use the Bible
to prove the Pretribulation Rapture.

I'll be busy the next month or so and won't have time to read the new
posts let alone respond to all of them. But Those
237 pages of my pretribulation rapture writings (on the BB alone)
should keep you out of trouble, well maybe

 

Ro 14:19 (nKJV):
Therefore let us pursue the things which make
for peace and the things by which one may edify
another.

1Co 10:23 (nKJV):
All things are lawful for me, but not all things
are helpful; all things are lawful for me,
but not all things edify.

1Th 5:11 (nKJV):
Therefore comfort each other and edify one another,
just as you also are doing.

 

Ed,

You say,

 

Years of time have come and gone
Since I first heard it told
How Jesus would come again some day
If back then, it seemed so real
I just can't help but feel
How much closer his coming is today.

Signs of the times are everywhere
There's a brand new feeling in the air
Keep your eyes upon the Eastern Sky
Lift up your head, your redemption draweth nigh.