Historicity of the change of the Sabbath Commandment vs Sola Scriptura

[DHK]

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28



Christ specifically pointed to Sabbath in Mark 2:28 "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" - there is no place in all of scripture where Christ or anyone else specifically points out week-day-1 with that sort of claim. Your own response is proof - as you seek for "the best you can get" in that regard - and it turns out to be a text that makes no mention at all of week-day-1.

The claim made in point 5 remains unchallenged by any text that actually mentions week-day-1.

Christ never once pointed to keeping the Sabbath; never.

 

[DHK]

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

And in this case it is the fact stated in the text that the Sabbath REMAINS as it was in Psalms 95.

Psalm 95 is written to Israel and it is to be kept by Israel, not for NT believers.
Our Sabbath is Christ. When will you learn not to take scripture out of context.

The quote is pointing to an example for week-day-1 that we do NOT find in the text at all. Ignoring this detail is not helping your case.

Heb 10:4-10 we have an example of an OT law ended.
Heb 4 we have a quote of the Sabbath origination in Gen 2:1-3 as in Ex 20:11 Sabbath commandment and a claim that it remains as it was in Psalms 95.

It is a demonstration that the law has ended, and that faith in the law is fruitless. Try not to pull a text out of context.

Sadly - for week-day-1 Hebrews 4 not only quotes the Sabbath origination in Gen 2:1-3 as in Ex 20:11 Sabbath commandment and a claim that it remains as it was in Psalms 95.--- but it demands the Sabbath rest for the people of God.

The Sabbath is not for today. The NT believer can worship any day he likes. I lived in a nation where believers gathered on a Friday to worship. Does the Bible forbid it? No. In the early days of Christianity they met every day.

What is worse - no such example of that same thing is given in OT or NT for week-day-1.

Heb 4
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, 7 He again fixes a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

"My rest" is Christ Himself. He is the only one who can give rest.

“Today if you hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.” (Ps 95)

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.(NASB)

Joshua could not give them rest, not in the OT because of their unbelief. Therefore they entered not into the Promised Land. Neither can anyone enter into the rest that Jesus gives through unbelief.

Hebrews 4:9New American Standard Bible (NASB)

9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.


Hebrews 4:9English Standard Version (ESV)
9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

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CONTEXT
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

NOTE:
In verse 8 he speaks of Israel. They did not get rest because of unbelief. This is the author contrasting two different times and two different peoples.
In verse 9 the people of God (in the NT) are able to have rest. How? through faith. That is why it still remains.
In verse 10. Rest comes through faith and faith alone, not of works. He cannot obtain rest through his own works as the verse clearly says. It must be through faith. It is by faith we enter into a relationship with Christ and obtain His rest. That is what this passage teaches.

Keeping a day, as the Sabbath, or even Sunday, will not give anyone rest. Only Christ can do that.

 

[utilyan]

New Testament never says keep the Sabbath.

Jesus CHRIST! never said keep the Sabbath.


We see in acts 15 the apostles didn't want to burden them with anything they JEWS had to do:
And more importantly they had to EXPLAIN SABBATH to GENTILES who of course did not practice it.


Acts 15

19“It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

In other words if the Christian gentiles were always keeping Sabbath in a synagogue it wouldn't have been an issue that is brought up to explain to them. Jewish custom would already have been understood.


Acts 15
“The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”


Simply What is the Law of Moses?




Sermon on the Mount. Jesus could have said KEEP the Sabbath its the most important thing its what seperates true followers from those of the MARK OF THE BEAST.

He didn't say that because Sabbath is not important.



“The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

Why is there any debate for circumcision and having to keep Jewish law? Unless gentiles were doing something totally different.

 

[BobRyan]

New Testament never says keep the Sabbath.

Jesus CHRIST! never said keep the Sabbath.

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"The Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God" Rev 14:12.
"there REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4.
Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is the "First commandment" in the still-valid-TEN Commandments "WITH" A promise.
For all eternity AFTER the cross "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23

Acts 15 does not say to honor your parents or to Love God with all your heart. It also does not say that this is the new downsized version of the Bible.

My Bible has 66 books in it -- how many books are in your Bible?

 

[BobRyan]

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

DHK said: ↑
And there isn't such a text in the NT either. You are not consistent with scripture. Verse 22 speaks of a new heaven and a new earth, therefore you are speaking out of ignorance--that which you have no knowledge of.

1. "There REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" - REMAINS as it was in Psalms 95.
2. Even your own retreat on this point merely claims that on this point the Sabbath is the SAME as weed-day-1 in the NT (but not in the Bible as a book) which does not amount for affirmation of week-day-1 even by your own argument!!
3. My point is that there is no such affirmation for week-day-1 as we see for Sabbath in Isaiah 66:23 and your retreat merely confesses that the point is true!! How is that supposed to defend week-day-1 sola scriptura???

Psalm 95, OT of course, is written for Israel--not for NT believers.
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Indeed so the SABBATH that REMAINS from Ps 95 to this very day for the "People of God" - is a bible "detail" that your argument does not survive.

 

[BobRyan]

So is timing, as THAT will happen with national isreal at His second coming!

Right now, Church not under the Mosaic law, are we?

Christ said "Moses said" = "Commandment of God" = "Word of God" Mark 7:6-13 shall we live in rebellion against the teaching of Christ??

 

[BobRyan]

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture

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It is the SDA that keeps unscriptural traditions, even hypocritical ones saying they keep the Sabbath when in truth they don't.

It is utter nonsense to argue that obeying Christ in Mark 7 is "unscriptural tradition" but being in rebellion against his teaching is "more or less ok".

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture

It should be of great concern to you that you do not/cannot keep the Sabbath

Rev 12 -- the accuser of the brethren has been cast down.

Your response is not "sola scriptura" anything - you simply rail against the text quoted. What papist in the dark ages could not resort to such methods?

Perhaps you heard of the recent rescue of the two research scientists that were recently rescued from a research center in the Antarctic.

Casting about him for a "Sola scriptura" response he finely finds one? OR he finds himself still left without one?

Rom 8:4-9 says that only the wicked "do not - and can not" submit to the LAW of God.

You already knew that.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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