Hothead McCain

[KenH]

What hypocrisy! Ken, you went from Ron Paul to Barak Obama

I heard someone call into a radio show the other day who had been a Congressman Paul supporter and is now supporting Senator Obama.

If you don't understand the continuity between the two men's positions on civil liberties and foreign policy then you can't understand why I am now supporting Senator Obama after Congressman Paul is no longer a factor in the race.

Frankly, I don't see why people think that there is that much difference between the two men's positions other than on social program spending and abortion.

 

[steaver]

I have and I do.

Ken, you are supporting a murder on demand agenda through Obama. If murdering innocent babies in the womb does not bother you too much then you need a deeper walk with Christ.

Can you give me the reason you like Obama and show how his position on the issue is good with Christ. PLease use scripture.

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[KenH]

Abortion is one issue among many that I consider. A candidate disagreeing with my position on abortion is not a vote stopper for me. In fact, there is not a single issue that is a vote stopper for me. I look at the candidate as a whole and how trustworthy I think he/she is.

Senator Obama is closer to my position on more issues(tax cuts, civil liberties, Iraq War, Iran, general international relations) than is Senator McCain, and I trust Senator Obama overall more than I do Senator McCain.

One should be concerned about babies in the womb and one should also be concerned aboug babies after they leave the womb and live their lives.

 

[Ps104_33]

Frankly, I don't see why people think that there is that much difference between the two men's positions other than on social program spending and abortion.

Oh is that all? Talk about a reduction fallacy. Is Ron Paul going to endorse Obama?

 

[tinytim]

Abortion is one issue among many that I consider. A candidate disagreeing with my position on abortion is not a vote stopper for me. In fact, there is not a single issue that is a vote stopper for me. I look at the candidate as a whole and how trustworthy I think he/she is.

Senator Obama is closer to my position on more issues(tax cuts, civil liberties, Iraq War, Iran, general international relations) than is Senator McCain, and I trust Senator Obama overall more than I do Senator McCain.

One should be concerned about babies in the womb andone should also be concerned aboug babies after they leave the womb and live their lives.

I bolded the above, and I want you to answer honestly please....

Would you vote for a person that said all blacks were not human, even though they would agree with you on every other issue?

Would you vote for someone that said that it is OK to torture animals for pleasure, like Micheal Vick... but agree with you on every other issue?

Would you vote for someone who wanted to do away with women's rights, although you may agree with them on every other issue.

Would you vote for someone that thought we should kill all gays, although you agreed one everyother issue?

Would you vote for someone in the KKK? although their foreign policy is right on.

Would you vote for someone that supports Al Queda, although they would agree with your approach on the environment?

I doubt you would... ONE issue would be enough to stop you from voting for someone. ONE issue might not be enough to get your vote, but ONE issue would be enough to keep you from voting for them.

Abortion is that issue for conservative Christians.

Just as I would never vote for someone in the KKK, I would never vote for someone that believes it is OK to murder a baby in the name of choice.


Just as a animal abuser should be disqualified from running, so should someone that supports animal abuse.. . I have a little Jack Russell Terrior, and if Michael Vick was running, I would do every thing I could to keep him from winning...

Now for those of us that love kids, and can look in a little childs face and see God's love.... when we see politicians supporting a law that would make it legal to vacuum out that little baby's brains.... I'll admit it, it makes me ANGRY! :BangHead:

A person with that much evil does not deserve to be the leader of the free world... they are callous...

Pelosi, and her ilk will burn in Hell for supporting the murder of millions of innocent babies.

Now, I think that statement was a little harsher than anything McCain has ever said....

McCain looks civil compared to some things I have seen on here...

 

[steaver]

Senator Obama is closer to my position on more issues(tax cuts, civil liberties, Iraq War, Iran, general international relations) than is Senator McCain, and I trust Senator Obama overall more than I do Senator McCain.

This is a good list to compare.

"tax cuts" I think McCain wants less taxes imposed on the people and Obama wants more. Is this correct? You like the more tax and more spend policy?

"Iraq" McCain wants to stay and keep the region stable. Obama wants to pull out and come what may. This would surely mean an all out slaughter of civilians in a civil power grab. You like that plan over keeping it stable?

"Iran" McCain wants to keep the pressure on Iran to keep Iran non-nuclear even if it takes some air strikes. Obama wants to leave Iran do as it pleases, talk with Iran, reason with them and believes this will stop their hatred for Israel and they will not go nuclear. Obama would never air strike Iran. Military is absolutely out and talk is in. McCain says don't negotiate with terrorist. Obama says talk with them.

"general international relations" McCain wants the world to help us defeat the terrorist. Obama wants the world to help us talk to the terrorist.

That is my shot at it, maybe you can give some more details. I would really like to see the differences between these two men on these issues. Enlighten me!

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[steaver]

Amen tiny!

I am looking forward to an answer.

God Bless! :wavey:

 

[dragonfly]

For me abortion is not one of my top issues. Other things, like health care are far more important.

I heard it said once, "Republicans believe live starts at conception and ends at birth."

 

[just-want-peace]

For me abortion is not one of my top issues. Other things, like health care are far more important.

I heard it said once, "Republicans believe live starts at conception and ends at birth."

You really should get out more!!:thumbs:

 

[dragonfly]

You really should get out more!!:thumbs:

Maybe once we get rid of this republican administration and elect a democrat to the presidency, I won't have to work so many hours and I will have time to "get out more." :thumbs:

 

[KenH]

I heard it said once, "Republicans believe live starts at conception and ends at birth."

Yes, that is a pretty accurate description of some Republicans.

 

[KenH]

Is Ron Paul going to endorse Obama?

I doubt it.

 

[KenH]

Pelosi, and her ilk will burn in Hell for supporting the murder of millions of innocent babies.

You have no way of knowing that.

Here's a hypothetical question for you: What if a candidate promised to end 100% of all abortions with the price being that he would become dictator and everyone in the nation would lose his freedoms - we would all be 100% slaves to him, including losing the freedom to worship - but there would be no more abortions for any reason. Would you vote for him?

 

[southern_saint]

"The thought of his being President sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper, and he worries me." - Republican Senator Thad Cochran about Senator John McCain

www.thenation.com/doc/20080324/dreyfuss

Was he talking about Bill Clinton?

 

[LeBuick]

"Iraq" McCain wants to stay and keep the region stable. Obama wants to pull out and come what may. This would surely mean an all out slaughter of civilians in a civil power grab. You like that plan over keeping it stable?

This is my big "show stopper". The war. We are loosing and impacting more innocent life in this war than abortion could ever kill. The civilians were being slaughtered before we got there, they still are now and will continue to be when we leave. It's part of their belief and we won't change that as long as we're so hated by the people.

I hope neither Obama or Clinton will just pull our troops out but I do support a plan to give more responsibility to the citizens of Iraq. Even if that means forcing them to step up by brining some of our troops home. It doesn't matter if we leave tomorrow or 10 years from now, there will be a power grab once we leave.

"Iran" McCain wants to keep the pressure on Iran to keep Iran non-nuclear even if it takes some air strikes. Obama wants to leave Iran do as it pleases, talk with Iran, reason with them and believes this will stop their hatred for Israel and they will not go nuclear. Obama would never air strike Iran. Military is absolutely out and talk is in. McCain says don't negotiate with terrorist. Obama says talk with them.

I believe Obama realizes airstrikes alone can't defeat an enemy. It sure won't stop a nuclear program. Once they begin we'll be committed and must be willing to fully commit. Committing to Iran would mean the draft and no candidate wants to advertise this truth at this time. I don't think any candidate will keep us from war if war is the last resort. I think the difference between the candidates is where "last resort" is.

Unlike our entry into Iraq, we need to get Nato/UN to support and bless any invasion or we'll not be able to fully engage in a fight like what's currently happening in Iraq and what happened in Vietnam. Going to war means committing soldiers and soldiers are people. I think all soldiers are prepared to die but they hope the commander of Chief will make sure there was no alternative before they are sent in harms way. Right now in Iraq we have soldiers dying to bring democracy to people who don't want or believe in democracy.

To answer Tiny, it would depend which each one of those examples are running against. Unfortunately elections these days are more choosing the lesser of two evils than it is picking someone your truly support.

 

[StefanM]

This is a good list to compare.

"tax cuts" I think McCain wants less taxes imposed on the people and Obama wants more. Is this correct? You like the more tax and more spend policy?

I'm not an Obama supporter, but the GOP has lost it's edge here.

"Tax and spend" is preferable to "Don't tax, but still spend."

 

[KenH]

"tax cuts" I think McCain wants less taxes imposed on the people and Obama wants more.

Provide Middle Class Americans Tax Relief

Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.

• Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
• Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.

- www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

 

[TomVols]

Are you going to post the numerous calls for increased spending which would likely be funded by new taxes and the implied calls for new taxation/revenue? :smilewinkgrin:

 

[TomVols]

If you don't understand the continuity between the two men's positions on civil liberties and foreign policy then you can't understand why I am now supporting Senator Obama after Congressman Paul is no longer a factor in the race.

1. Paul was never a factor. 2. Obama's FP and Paul's FP are night and day. While they may agree on getting out of Iraq, Paul spoke against the President/Obama's call to unilaterally bomb Pakistan, saying it would violate a sovreign nation's border. Paul would never have called for Palestenian occupation, etc. The two might agree on some areas, but to say they are similar is a gross oversimplification, and one that Paul and Obama would both probably squirm at :smilewinkgrin:

 

[steaver]

This is my big "show stopper". The war. We are loosing and impacting more innocent life in this war than abortion could ever kill.

I believe at last count we stand at 48 million innocent babies slaughtered in the USA alone. I don't know the world wide count, probably billions. How many innocent lives have been slaughtered in Iraq?

God Bless! :thumbs: