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House GOP in Turmoil
- Thread starter KenH
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I am always amused with headlines such as the op. This is nothing out of the ordinary nor unusual. It is part of the process and is not an indication of anything bad. We have a government and a country where we can disagree. It has been in this kind of "turmoil" (misnomer) since the beginning of this country.
Yep.
This is the first time a Speaker has been removed by a motion to vacate. It was tried in 1910 but failed.
The House has been without a speaker before, but the timing of this one has the potential to do more damage than historically possible. We can't compare 1910 to 2023.
The funny thing is that the GOP always does this. When it gains ground it squanders the ground gained.
This time it was 8 Republicans and 213 Democrats against the GOP.
There has always been arguments and a bit of chaos. But this time is different. Congress can not pass legislation.
Our nation was designed for opposing views to clash. But the idea was compromise. Neither side gets their way, but the Nation gets the best compromise. When a group is unwilling to work out that compromise our system breaks down, for a time anyway.
Now the Democrats are in control of the House while being the minority. To even get a Speaker the DNC will have demands that now must be met.
Those 8 RINOs were far too short sighted to be in DC.
KenH
Well-Known Member
This afternoon, Jim Jordan got a majority of the GOP votes in their conference but nowhere near 217. Sounds like the GOP is calling it a week and going home for the weekend.
I wonder if at some point at least 5 moderate Republicans will get with the 212 Democrats and elect a compromise candidate as Speaker of the House.
I wonder if at some point at least 5 moderate Republicans will get with the 212 Democrats and elect a compromise candidate as Speaker of the House.
That would be political suicide
Essentially 8 Republicans gave the power to the Democrats. To get a Speaker the Republicans are going to end up giving more to the Democrats than they had wanted. It will be a compromise that favors the DNC because the Republicans don't have a choice.
I think it will be more Republicans (perhaps most, minus the 8 RINOS) and a good bit of Democrats.
But right now the Democrats hold the high ground. They just need to wait for the Republicans to deal a hand they like.
The Republicans could not have foreseen the issue with Israel. But even without that the timing couldn't have been worse for those 8 to defect. It was a stupid and short sighted move on their part.
Yes, that is an important observation! One party votes in lock step, and the other votes their own view. Christians believe in the spirit of unity, as in football when all eleven execute the same play.
I saw one report that claimed more than 50 Republicans voted against Mr. Jordan. Good Grief!!
I am proud of the non RINOS in the house drawing the line. The establishment talks a big game and delivers nothing. It was far past time to draw a line in the sand.
It was bad timing. If they were going to take a hard stand it should not have been at the expense of the American people.
They could not have foreseen Israel being attacked, but they should have taken this stance six months ago.
I actually agree with many Republicans (not the 8) that the funding should be clean, and then argue over debatable issues.
Fund the government. Don't attach stupid park funding, building playgrounds, the Ukraine, or even a border wall into funding. Just fund the government.
Then wrestle over the rest.
I agree, but that was promised and not delivered. They were always going to fight "next time".
I saw a US Senator on Newsmax say the Benjamin Netanyaho is glad US aid is stalled. He does not want U.S. in the way.
I'm more concerned about those Americans who will not get paid when the government shuts down.
I saw an "expert" (can't remember the channel) saying Americans don't mind because government employees will get back pay and government contractors will end up getting money for the time they were not paid.
But that isn't exactly right.
Many government employees live check to check and will suffer. Most, if not all, employees of government contract companies simply will not get paid.
I'm in the last category. I'll be OK because of military retirement. I'll go fishing. And I can always move in with you.
But I know a lot of families, and a lot of single parents, that will be greatly affected if the government shuts down.
As far as Israel goes, those ships will house sailors that are not being paid, their families trying to make ends meet back home.
It's just a bad situation. And a situation that should have been avoided.
But I also get that a stand needs to be made. I just think it should have been 6 months ago. They waited too late. Now no matter what the Republicans will have to meet the demands of the Democrats. The GOP lost their advantage.
Hopefully once this is resolved the GOP will start getting the message those 8 were trying to send. It wasn't the message but the timing that was wrong.
The timing will always be wrong. I am in private sector. When I am not working, I am not getting paid. In last 10 years, I have had 3 knee surgerys, shoulder surgery, thumb joint replacement, gaul bladder removal, appendectomy, and about to have another shoulder surgery. If I am not working, I am not earning money. Just to be honest, I don't feel too sorry for people who don't know the difference between wants and needs. They get paid when out suck, I don't get paid. They will get paid when govt shuts down, they will just have to wait a bit. My granny taught me how to handle money. She lived through great depression. She taught me how to "not spend money". A lot of people have excessive wants.I'm more concerned about those Americans who will not get paid when the government shuts down.
I saw an "expert" (can't remember the channel) saying Americans don't mind because government employees will get back pay and government contractors will end up getting money for the time they were not paid.
But that isn't exactly right.
Many government employees live check to check and will suffer. Most, if not all, employees of government contract companies simply will not get paid.
I'm in the last category. I'll be OK because of military retirement. I'll go fishing. And I can always move in with you.
But I know a lot of families, and a lot of single parents, that will be greatly affected if the government shuts down.
As far as Israel goes, those ships will house sailors that are not being paid, their families trying to make ends meet back home.
It's just a bad situation. And a situation that should have been avoided.
But I also get that a stand needs to be made. I just think it should have been 6 months ago. They waited too late. Now no matter what the Republicans will have to meet the demands of the Democrats. The GOP lost their advantage.
Hopefully once this is resolved the GOP will start getting the message those 8 were trying to send. It wasn't the message but the timing that was wrong.
Some, yes. I know many who live beyond their means. But at the same time I know many who don't, and still depend on being paid each month.
We will not get paid when the government shuts down.
It isn't a matter of waiting a bit. It is no pay.
That's what I mean by timing. The 8 could have made the same point without harming American citizens.
My concern is that, given the timing, the Democrats will be able to use this against the GOP. The DNC now holds the cards.
Everything will point to the GOP which can't get it together, but it is now the DNC in control (the GOP can unite behind a Speaker, but it doesn't matter if they don't give the DNC what it wants).
The timing will cause the point to backfire.
How could the 8 cause any change short of doing what they did? They have tried everything else and been ignored.
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canadyjd
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Shortsighted? Can we all say 33 trillion debt with no end in sight.
They are representing their constituents. Good for them standing firm.
peace to you
I can say 8 Republicans teamed up with 212 Democrats against 213 Republicans to shut down Congress.
They are RINOs. They can say they didn't leave the Republicans but the Republicans left them. But they are RINOs. Maybe their group will form a new primary. Who knows.
Either way the Democrats win.
Because of those 8 the Democrats now hold the cards.
canadyjd
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When the 213 repubs vote to spend just like the 212 Dems, the Dems are already winning, have been winning in every congress that balloons the debt, and will continue to win in every congress unless brave men and women stand up and say “no more!!”
These 8 are heroes of the republic. They are the only thing keeping this republic from going under.
I hope they continue to stand firm.
BTW, the 212 could compromise with the Dems and elect a speaker. They know it would be the end of their careers.
peace to you
They do. And parties change.
That is what I am saying. Those 8 are RINOs. Perhaps they are what Republicans once were, but they are now RINOs.
The problem here is that America was founded on compromise. Our Constitution, the Bill of Rights....a result of compromise.
Those 8 are not able to perform their duties because they view their duty as uncompromisingly standing. They give power to the DNC.