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How do you know you are saved?

StefanM

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The OP has cited some specific songs, and one came to mind (it does borrow from "It is Well with My Soul," so there is a hymn connection): "Bring the Rain" by MercyMe:

"Bring me joy, bring me peace
Bring the chance to be free
Bring me anything that brings You glory
And I know there'll be days
When this life brings me pain
But if that's what it takes to praise You
Jesus, bring the rain"

This is only one bit of evidence that could be considered, but because of my own experiences and limitations, I find it compelling.

If you can truly, honestly pray for relief from suffering while at the same time pleading with God that he not take away the suffering if the suffering draws you closer to him---that's powerful.

I don't mean a half-hearted "if it's your will" tacked on to the end of a prayer because you think you "have to" say that. I mean being willing to pray with sincerity that you would rather trust in God's will, even if it means great pain, than to have relief from that pain apart from God's will.
 

David Kent

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One hymn I have not sung for years is Oh Where are the Reapers oh Who will Come.

When I have visited churches that used modern "Worship", it seems more like entertainment. My daughter went to the baptism of her nephew in one such church and she said she could not sing most of the songs, they didn't have hymns, as she said "They were mostly about ME."
 

Dave G

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What is your definition of the "world", "worldly", and the "things of the world"?
God's word tells us:
" Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ( 1 John 2:15 ).

What is your definition of "the world", if you don't mind my asking?
That is your interpretation and you're welcome to it.
As far as I am aware, it's not up for "interpretation".
To me, it should be obvious to any believer.

For example, going out to the bar and hanging out with unsaved people is worldly living.
Committing adultery, fornication and getting drunk are not godly living.
Listening to the world's music with its message of "anything goes" ( and enjoying it ) is not obeying the Lord with regard to separation ( 2 Corinthians 6:17 ) and denying ourselves, taking up our crosses and following Him.

Worldly living is not godly living, ITL.
Take it from someone who was neck-deep in it for more than 20 years after believing on Christ.:Sick
 
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Dave G

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Question for all readers.
When was the last time you sang, "Face to Face" or "Moment by Moment?"

What about, "I Gave My Life to Thee, What Hast Thou Done for Me?"
Sadly, I haven't sung anything in a group of professing believers for well over 3 years now.

I mostly keep to myself and hope that the Lord comes quickly.
I would gladly love to get together and sing hymns with believers, if I could feel confident that anyone in my area, besides the very few that I know personally, would actually listen to God's word and believe all of it.

Except for one that I get together and fellowship with every week, we are spread out over a 25 mile radius and rarely see each other due to difficult circumstances.
But that's for another thread.;)



I love the old Hymns:

Amazing Grace.
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross.
Alas and Did My Saviour Bleed.
Come All Ye Faithful.
Crown Him with Many Crowns.
All Hail the Power.
Rock of Ages.

I've forgotten more of them than I remember.:(

Responding to the OP:

How do I know that I am saved?
" If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you." ( John 15:18 ).

One of many evidences, despite me trying in the beginning to go against who God made me to be.
I found out the hard way, but it was a necessary learning experience.
 
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tyndale1946

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Sadly, I haven't sung anything in a group of professing believers for well over 3 years now.

I mostly keep to myself and hope that the Lord comes quickly.
I would gladly love to get together and sing hymns, if I could feel confident that anyone in my area, besides the very few that I know personally, would actually listen to God's word and believe all of it.

But that's for another thread.;)



I love the old Hymns:

Amazing Grace.
When I Survey the Wondrous Cross.
Alas and Did My Saviour Bleed.
Come All Ye Faithful.
Crown Him with Many Crowns.
All Hail the Power.
Rock of Ages.

I've forgotten more of them than I remember.:(

I really enjoyed what you posted David Kent, I've never heard it before... I know I'm saved because I'm standing On Christ,
The Solid Rock... Brother Glen:)

 

1689Dave

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I know I'm saved because I have the new birth and faith that God gives to all for whom Christ died. And the scoundrel that I am would never have faith if this were not the case.
 

Salty

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That's strange Salty, Mine too!... What's your section and seat number... Brother Glen;)


I asked for the special seating --- Section 7 - Street 7, apt bldg 7 - 7th floor
but you must have just beatean me - they said Apt 7 had just been issued to
another BB member.
 
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Reynolds

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Often in the old churches, the songs sung were about salvation and the walk of the believer.
Such songs as:
Savior Like a Shepherd Lead Me,
He Leadeth Me,
All the Way My Savior Leads Me,​
have been relegated to rarely sung in the modern church.
Other songs such as:
Have Thine Own Way,
Come Every Soul by Sin Oppressed,
Lord, Lead Me to Some Soul, Today,​
are just never to be mentioned.

Now this thread is NOT about music, but INDICATORS of a drifting taking place in presenting both the message of Salvation and the Call for Salvation.

I have (in the last 30 years) noticed that as more congregations move into a more contemporary worship style, that not just the music becomes a focus of praising.

Now there is nothing in itself wrong with the theme of praise, but it is becoming almost to the exclusion of a demand for repentance, salvation, and Lordship-submission. It is one thing to praise the Lord for being Lord, and another for the complete submission to the Lord in leading and in mission.

I have noticed that the literature of many Baptist churches are less likely to oblige one to carry their own Bible, and to search the Scripture references for themselves. Rather, the convenience (or whatever excuse used) of printed Scriptures has left many believers unable to find their place, much less be able to cite where a certain book of the Bible is even located. Just ask the typical modern church goer to find Hezekiah 3:16 where the identity of the Beast with the number 666 is revealed.

In the design of the "Sactuary" of the typical Baptist church, there was (in the old days) a table, called an altar, between the congregation and the pulpit. The pulpit was directly behind the altar with the baptistry typically behind the pulpit. Now granted there were some modifications such as the addition of "choir loft" which set either to the side or between the pulpit and baptistry and height so more could actually see the preaching. But the design was not just a matter of architecture in a Baptist church, but had implied meaning. Meaning lost in the "warehouse" stage presentation look.

The modern gathering actually sees no need to come to Christ without confession of sin, without the sacrifice of the worldly life style.

The modern gatherers get to hear the delivery of the message not from a stand in which the sacred text is placed between them and one who delivers, as a symbol that all words must be sifted through the Scriptures and that the Scriptures are the focus. If the modern preaching carries a Bible at all, it is more often laid to the side while a socialization of the word is proclaimed. The preacher becomes the focus not the Scriptures.

Comfortable places to worship has (imo) left folks desiring a comfortable presentation, a comfortable gospel, a comfortable life they think is well blessed by being comfortably enticed by a non-threatening, soft spoken, sweet intoned, well mannered, pep talk.

This thread is devoted to discerning how do you know you are saved?

It is not about salvation as one typically considers its use, but about that which demands compliance.

Does the worship place just by the appearance present salvation appropriately as needing repentance as a sinner proclaiming the Lord as not only Lord of their life, but Lord of their ways?

Does the furniture of the worship, just as the temple furniture, depict that the Word of God is honored above all, that submission before the Word results in a changed heart and newness of mind.

Does the music and the preaching present a Christ not only living in us, but through us and causes the life to be driven farther away from worldly enticements and seeking more and more that which conforms to the Kingdom of God?

How does one know they are saved if all they have is a presentation of the Gospel in which the position of God's word is not primary, in which the repentance by the Word does not lead to the symbolic death of the old and a new life lived in Him, in which the worldly has become so intwined as to make the message appealing and in doing there is no obliging to conform to the truth, in which the emotional is the primary focus?

How does one know they are saved when there is more desire to cheer ungodly athletes than to share the gospel?

How do you know you are saved if you have nothing to bring to the Savior after He has entrusted you?

Do you really know that you are saved when you consider that the Savior rejects those that bring nothing of increase or even of interest when one buries that which He has given? Matthew 25:14-30

This Sunday, who is brave enough to ask this serious question to those who claim to believe?

HOW do you know you are saved?

The Scriptures state, "By their fruits you shall know them."
In my opinion, the church has simply swapped ditches. They left the ditch of legalism and dove head first into the ditch of greasy grace.
 

church mouse guy

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In my opinion, the church has simply swapped ditches. They left the ditch of legalism and dove head first into the ditch of greasy grace.

I came from a rural and small-town background but I have spent my adult life in these God-forsaken American big cities. I never liked legalism and I agree with you that the church with its silly choruses and what you call "greasy grace" is not much account. Now we are infested with marxianity. But as to my personal Salvation, I have to agree with the very old southern gospel song that says that I was there when it happened and I ought to know. A change that big in your life--the burden of sin lifted away, no more to be heavy laden. "That old account was settled long ago." C.S. Lewis wrote a book about his conversion called Surprised by Joy. When the Holy Ghost comes to live in your heart, and you get a new heart, you do have that joy, joy, joy that you never had before. Southern gospel music was in a golden age 40 years ago and even as far north as Indiana, it taught me a lot. Bluegrass has a lot of solid gospel music also. I thought that the 1970s were a sick and gangrene time in the USA but I think that this era is worse, and the church is too often MIA.
 

Particular

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I came from a rural and small-town background but I have spent my adult life in these God-forsaken American big cities. I never liked legalism and I agree with you that the church with its silly choruses and what you call "greasy grace" is not much account. Now we are infested with marxianity. But as to my personal Salvation, I have to agree with the very old southern gospel song that says that I was there when it happened and I ought to know. A change that big in your life--the burden of sin lifted away, no more to be heavy laden. "That old account was settled long ago." C.S. Lewis wrote a book about his conversion called Surprised by Joy. When the Holy Ghost comes to live in your heart, and you get a new heart, you do have that joy, joy, joy that you never had before. Southern gospel music was in a golden age 40 years ago and even as far north as Indiana, it taught me a lot. Bluegrass has a lot of solid gospel music also. I thought that the 1970s were a sick and gangrene time in the USA but I think that this era is worse, and the church is too often MIA.
God forsaken big cities?
God is very much alive and active in the big city in which I live. We have many people serving and caring throughout the entire metropolis. It saddens me that you think God is not active.
 
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