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HopefulNChrist

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JonShaff said:
You're going to get on to me about the experiential realities of God through the Holy Spirit and then you post this? Brother, i believe it is time you cut me some slack.
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Not when what you are sharing is the same groundwork by which slain in the spirit and holy laughter happens by. Scripture refutes what you are sharing since no evil tree can produce a good fruit and no good tree can produce an evil fruit. It is ecumenical in nature as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles as it is spoken and experienced in Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Catholics.

What I have shared cannot be proven, but the OP ask later on in this thread for experience which I had started off by saying I wasn't going to, but then I was prompted later on by the Lord to do it when I was given a key from my mother that said "Don't be afraid to share your story. It could be the key that unlocks someone else's prison." So with His help, I shared what I had shared, although I do not see how it could help the OP or any one else for that matter.

I am not preaching anything for any one to follow after other than Jesus Christ. That is the difference between you and me. You are putting the spotlight on the Spirit whereas scripture & the Holy Spirit in me would keep it on the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

And yes, I need His help to do that too.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
 
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HopefulNChrist said:
Not when what you are sharing is the same groundwork by which slain in the spirit and holy laughter happens by. Scripture refutes what you are sharing since no evil tree can produce a good fruit and no good tree can produce an evil fruit. It is ecumenical in nature as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles as it is spoken and experienced in Pentecostals, Charismatics, and Catholics.

What I have shared cannot be proven, but the OP ask later on in this thread for experience which I had started off by saying I wasn't going to, but then I was prompted later on by the Lord to do it when I was given a key from my mother that said "Don't be afraid to share your story. It could be the key that unlocks someone else's prison." So with His help, I shared what I had shared, although I do not see how it could help the OP or any one else for that matter.

I am not preaching anything for any one to follow after other than Jesus Christ. That is the difference between you and me. You are putting the spotlight on the Spirit whereas scripture & the Holy Spirit in me would keep it on the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

And yes, I need His help to do that too.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
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Read chapter 8, as paul tells us victory in our walk in Christ is dependent upon the Holy Spirit Himself!
 
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Yeshua1

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JonShaff said:
False, I'm putting the SpotLight on Christ--We seek Christ, Preach Christ, Honor Christ--All Glory goes to God through Jesus Christ our LORD!
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The sameJjesus told us that we MUST have the Holy Spirit in order to have powerful witness, and to be able to live for Jesus as we should!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The sameJjesus told us that we MUST have the Holy Spirit in order to have powerful witness, and to be able to live for Jesus as we should!
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He treats the Holy Spirit as a force. the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ in us!
 
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HopefulNChrist

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JonShaff said:
False, I'm putting the SpotLight on Christ--We seek Christ, Preach Christ, Honor Christ--All Glory goes to God through Jesus Christ our LORD!
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Jesus is the Christ, as in the Son of God is the Christ. Jesus defers from Himself when speaking of the Father by the pronoun "he" and "him" just as Jesus defers from Himself when speaking of the Holy Spirit by the pronoun "he" and "him".

So to avoid sounding like Oneness Pentecostalism, we cannot say that speaking of a continual need for the infilling of the Holy Spirit or seeking the Presence of the Holy Spirit in worship is the same thing as speaking of the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not.
 
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HopefulNChrist said:
Jesus is the Christ, as in the Son of God is the Christ. Jesus defers from Himself when speaking of the Father by the pronoun "he" and "him" just as Jesus defers from Himself when speaking of the Holy Spirit by the pronoun "he" and "him".

So to avoid sounding like Oneness Pentecostalism, we cannot say that speaking of a continual need for the infilling of the Holy Spirit or seeking the Presence of the Holy Spirit in worship is the same thing as speaking of the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not.
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When we are choosing to sin, are we yielding to our flesh, or to the Holy Spirit? If ourselves, how are we still Spirit filled then at that time?
 
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Let me aak another question. How do we know that the events of history happened? Especially before the camera and audio recordings? We know them only because of the supporting evidence. For the vast majority of happenings, the only remaining evidence is written accounts.

So these things are believed because we trust the authors and translators and copyists, etc. Perhaps many historical accounts are inaccurate. Your faith in the truth of these events is only as reliable as the witnesses to them. If these witnesses are unreliable, your faith is unreliable also. You may be deceived into thinking you "know" the truth of what happened when the story is fictitious.

But what if there was a completely reliable storyteller? One who in every case where he told a story that we could confirm and verify, such testimony was accurate?

That storyteller is God. Since he has told us things, such as prophecy, that we can verify took place, faith in him is reasonable. Doubt is unreasonable. So when he says there is an afterlife, though we cannot verify it, his track record should cause us to use reasonable faith and believe him.
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Oh, I don't doubt the events of the NT; that's a primary reason I became a believer and continue to be. It's just that sometimes in this life, I feel I need more than second-hand evidence.
 
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Rebel1 said:
Oh, I don't doubt the events of the NT; that's a primary reason I became a believer and continue to be. It's just that sometimes in this life, I feel I need more than second-hand evidence.
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Jesus is direct first hand information!
 
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HopefulNChrist

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Yeshua1 said:
When we are choosing to sin, are we yielding to our flesh, or to the Holy Spirit? If ourselves, how are we still Spirit filled then at that time?
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By acknowledging that the foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ is the same thing as still Spirit-filled forever.

It is the works of the flesh on that foundation that needs repented of, to get it off that foundation, but the foundation remains just as the seal of adoption remains forever for why we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit

When God judges any believer in that day ( 1 Corinthians 3:13 & 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) when the Bridegroom comes ( Luke 13:24-30 ), any unrepentant work of the flesh on that foundation will get burned up, but that foundation remains; even when the believer incurs a physical death for defiling the temple of God, he is still saved as 1 Corinthians 3:15-17 says in spite of being left behind..

There is no percentage of being Spirit-filled; you are either abiding in Him or you are not. To depart from iniquity is how a believer returns to abiding in Him and walking in the light with the Father and the Son in fellowship.
 
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HopefulNChrist said:
By acknowledging that the foundation which was laid by Jesus Christ is the same thing as still Spirit-filled forever.

It is the works of the flesh on that foundation that needs repented of, to get it off that foundation, but the foundation remains just as the seal of adoption remains forever for why we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit

When God judges any believer in that day ( 1 Corinthians 3:13 & 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) when the Bridegroom comes ( Luke 13:24-30 ), any unrepentant work of the flesh on that foundation will get burned up, but that foundation remains; even when the believer incurs a physical death for defiling the temple of God, he is still saved as 1 Corinthians 3:15-17 says in spite of being left behind..

There is no percentage of being Spirit-filled; you are either abiding in Him or you are not. To depart from iniquity is how a believer returns to abiding in Him and walking in the light with the Father and the Son in fellowship.
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All are indwelt by Him, but not all are filled by Him!
 
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HopefulNChrist

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Yeshua1 said:
All are indwelt by Him, but not all are filled by Him!
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That is hypocrisy and running against the truth in scripture.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
 
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HopefulNChrist said:
That is hypocrisy and running against the truth in scripture.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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When we quench/grieve the Spirit,a re we then still filled by Him?
 
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