How does your Church deal with Child professions of Faith?

[annsni]

That's nice and all, but...

- Does it count if it was salt water (appears to be) and not fresh? Which was Jesus baptized in?

- Was the water temp correct at the actual time of the baptism? Was it Jordon-like enough?

- And the clothing, don't forget that, shouldn't the administrators be wearing proper mid-eastern-period garb? Those men look to be dressed in overly modern-western.

- And how do we know the child simply didn't want a trip to the beach? You know children, they're LIKE THAT!!!

But seriously and begging your indulgence and forgiveness (if necessary). All my points above are absurdity meant to parrot and mock earlier posts in this thread.

What a wonderful picture. Praise God for children seeking the Lord so young and following His will, in obedience and love. And sorry again, for using your lovely post to demonstrate my sarcasm relating to some of the prior ridiculous posts. The juxtaposition of the legalism presented by some and the beauty in the picture you've posted is just too much to let pass.

I wish I had pictures of my own down-in-floor baptism from ages ago. It was a memorable experience. Ironically, I was twelve at the time, but saved at five.

No worries. It was definitely salt water - Atlantic Ocean in NY in August which means about 65 degrees. I guess we really SHOULD look into some good gowns for the men and baptism-ees. And finally yes, she wanted to go to the beach but I have to say, she didn't want to go into the cold water!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No worries. It was definitely salt water - Atlantic Ocean in NY in August which means about 65 degrees. I guess we really SHOULD look into some good gowns for the men and baptism-ees. And finally yes, she wanted to go to the beach but I have to say, she didn't want to go into the cold water!

Is your church Baptist or are they Non-Denom? And is there any protocol for doing this ritual ...like can you do it in a swimming pool, Koei Pond or river?

 

[annsni]

Is your church Baptist or are they Non-Denom? And is there any protocol for doing this ritual ...like can you do it in a swimming pool, Koei Pond or river?

We are Baptist. I believe we have baptized in the baptismal, a pool, the Sound and ocean

 

[Yeshua1]

We are Baptist. I believe we have baptized in the baptismal, a pool, the Sound and ocean

its not where one gets water baptized, but the reason why and how!

 

[Monster]

its not where one gets water baptized, but the reason why and how!

Ummm, you may want to back up a page or so. There was a bit'o'humor being bandied about, location was one element.

 

[MB]

Mar_10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

 

[Yeshua1]

Ummm, you may want to back up a page or so. There was a bit'o'humor being bandied about, location was one element.

I know! Hope the water was warm!

And THAT was immersion!

 

[salzer mtn]

One can only imagine the insults that were thrown out against the Ana Baptist because they didn't believe in infant Baptism. Those Ana Baptist are trying to keep our babies out of the kingdom of God, as some probably said. Is that age of deception upon us once again in another form called easy believism when our children as unripe fruit are being plucked from the tree to early. In this day of instant microwave meals, instant potatoes, instant coffee, is this the day of instant conversions as well. What happened to the old time thorough working of the Holy Spirit in conversion. Are the watchmen of today trying to play the roll of the Holy Spirit. Satan is full of crafty devices, along with every genuine way there is always a counterfeit way.

 

[Monster]

One can only imagine the insults that were thrown out against the Ana Baptist because they didn't believe in infant Baptism. Those Ana Baptist are trying to keep our babies out of the kingdom of God, as some probably said. Is that age of deception upon us once again in another form called easy believism when our children as unripe fruit are being plucked from the tree to early. In this day of instant microwave meals, instant potatoes, instant coffee, is this the day of instant conversions as well. What happened to the old time thorough working of the Holy Spirit in conversion. Are the watchmen of today trying to play the roll of the Holy Spirit. Satan is full of crafty devices, along with every genuine way there is always a counterfeit way.

Just how long should salvation take?

And, how difficult is the Gospel message? What happens to child-like faith; we certainly don't begin our faith in a mature state.

And, and, the thorough working of the Holy Spirit Does God in that form begin slowly and build up speed until there's some critical break-through? Is the recipient of the Holy Spirit saved only after enough of the work is accomplished?

These are serious questions. You seem to be implying that salvation comes through faith plus something. Maybe I'm just inferring incorrectly. And most unsettling you seem to be very doubtful in regards to young children and saving faith.

 

[Yeshua1]

Just how long should salvation take?

And, how difficult is the Gospel message? What happens to child-like faith; we certainly don't begin our faith in a mature state.

And, and, the thorough working of the Holy Spirit Does God in that form begin slowly and build up speed until there's some critical break-through? Is the recipient of the Holy Spirit saved only after enough of the work is accomplished?

These are serious questions. You seem to be implying that salvation comes through faith plus something. Maybe I'm just inferring incorrectly. And most unsettling you seem to be very doubtful in regards to young children and saving faith.

no, don't see him denying children can get saved by the lord, would though be cautening at taking what they say as 'the truth", as will need to have that faith professiom bear last fruit, as MANY have had that experienceas both child/adult 'giving their heart/asking jesus in", and failed to evidence any real fruit that salvation ever took place!

 

[webdog]

One can only imagine the insults that were thrown out against the Ana Baptist because they didn't believe in infant Baptism. Those Ana Baptist are trying to keep our babies out of the kingdom of God, as some probably said. Is that age of deception upon us once again in another form called easy believism when our children as unripe fruit are being plucked from the tree to early. In this day of instant microwave meals, instant potatoes, instant coffee, is this the day of instant conversions as well. What happened to the old time thorough working of the Holy Spirit in conversion. Are the watchmen of today trying to play the roll of the Holy Spirit. Satan is full of crafty devices, along with every genuine way there is always a counterfeit way.

Who here is talking about infant baptism? Non sequitur.

 

[Monster]

no, don't see him denying children can get saved by the lord, would though be cautening at taking what they say as 'the truth", as will need to have that faith professiom bear last fruit, as MANY have had that experienceas both child/adult 'giving their heart/asking jesus in", and failed to evidence any real fruit that salvation ever took place!

In bold...Seriously? Who implied that he said that? Certainly not me.

He did however, very clearly imply that salvation was not/is not instant, that it requires the "thorough working of the Holy Spirit" and then strongly implies that some (not all) that disagree with his stance are usurping the role of the Holy Spirit and or possibly susceptible to Satan's crafty devices in light of this subject. (mega-run-on-writing going on there)

I was asking salzer mtn for clarification. Thanks for your input Yeshua1, though I believe we're operating from very different assumptions here.

 

[salzer mtn]

In bold...Seriously? Who implied that he said that? Certainly not me.

He did however, very clearly imply that salvation was not/is not instant, that it requires the "thorough working of the Holy Spirit" and then strongly implies that some (not all) that disagree with his stance are usurping the role of the Holy Spirit and or possibly susceptible to Satan's crafty devices in light of this subject. (mega-run-on-writing going on there)

I was asking salzer mtn for clarification. Thanks for your input Yeshua1, though I believe we're operating from very different assumptions here.

In the parable of the sower you will notice that only one ground, the good ground was a true conversion because it brought forth fruit. The ground represents the heart of man. What set this ground apart from the other three ? All four grounds had good seed sown upon them, so it was not the seeds fault. All four had the seed sown by a God called man, so it was not the preachers fault. The difference lied in the fact the good ground had been plowed, broken up by the Holy Spirit. Every farmer knows you cannot throw seed on top of the ground because the fowls of the air will devour it ( Way Side). Every farmer knows you cannot sow seed where there is not much earth because the root will not take hold ( Stony Ground) Every farmer knows you can't sow seed among thorns, it will be choked out ( Thorny Ground) The bible say's Break up your fallow ground and sow not among thorns Jer 4:3. The good ground had been prepared by the plow or Holy Spirit and was ready to recieve the seed. The only crop the stony ground produced was a crop of religion. The only crop the ground of briars produced was works of the flesh; weeds, thorns, wild grass, everything that man by nature produces in his old natural corruption. Christ said in verse thirteen of Mark chapter four, Know ye not this parable ? The understanding of this parable will unlock the door of knowledge and understanding of all parables. it will get you a greater understanding of the way's of God in the salvation of soul's.

 

[Yeshua1]

In the parable of the sower you will notice that only one ground, the good ground was a true conversion because it brought forth fruit. The ground represents the heart of man. What set this ground apart from the other three ? All four grounds had good seed sown upon them, so it was not the seeds fault. All four had the seed sown by a God called man, so it was not the preachers fault. The difference lied in the fact the good ground had been plowed by the Holy Spirit. Every farmer knows you cannot throw seed on top of the ground because the fowls of the air will devour it ( Way Side). Every farmer knows you cannot sow seed where there is not much earth because the root will not take hold ( Stony Ground) Every farmer knows you can't sow seed among thorn, it will be choked out ( Thorny Ground) The bible say's Break up your fallow ground and sow not among thorns Jer 4:3. The good ground had been prepared by the plow or Holy Spirit and was ready to recieve the seed. The only crop the stony ground produced was a crop of religion. The only crop the ground of briars produced was works of the flesh; weeds, thorns, wild grass, everything that man by nature produces in his old natural corruption. Christ said in verse thirteen of Mark chapter four, Know ye not this parable ? The understanding of this parable will unlock the door of knowledge and understanding of all parables. it will get you a greater understanding of the way's of God in the salvation of soul's.

As My pastor says, God requires us to put out the seed, to teach and live for jesus, that is our part, that a sinner gets saved by that is All of his working and His part!

 

[Monster]

In the parable of the sower you will notice that only one ground, the good ground was a true conversion because it brought forth fruit. The ground represents the heart of man. What set this ground apart from the other three ? All four grounds had good seed sown upon them, so it was not the seeds fault. All four had the seed sown by a God called man, so it was not the preachers fault. The difference lied in the fact the good ground had been plowed by the Holy Spirit. Every farmer knows you cannot throw seed on top of the ground because the fowls of the air will devour it ( Way Side). Every farmer knows you cannot sow seed where there is not much earth because the root will not take hold ( Stony Ground) Every farmer knows you can't sow seed among thorns, it will be choked out ( Thorny Ground) The bible say's Break up your fallow ground and sow not among thorns Jer 4:3. The good ground had been prepared by the plow or Holy Spirit and was ready to recieve the seed. The only crop the stony ground produced was a crop of religion. The only crop the ground of briars produced was works of the flesh; weeds, thorns, wild grass, everything that man by nature produces in his old natural corruption. Christ said in verse thirteen of Mark chapter four, Know ye not this parable ? The understanding of this parable will unlock the door of knowledge and understanding of all parables. it will get you a greater understanding of the way's of God in the salvation of soul's.

That's a fine answer for a question I didn't ask.

Sowing and reaping though intrinsically related, are very different "subjects". You seem to be oscillating between the two.

You've addressed the idea of sowing, great! But, I asked several questions directly related to reaping (for simplicities sake, I'm sticking with the analogy elucidated in the parable above).

In previous posts you seem to imply (over and over, I might add) that children and salvation are an uncommon occurrence. I was asking for more clarification on that. I was saved at 5, baptized at 12 and have never doubted the veracity of God's work in that process. My wife would have the same road-map as would millions of others. Are we deluded?

 

[Yeshua1]

That's a fine answer for a question I didn't ask.

Sowing and reaping though intrinsically related, are very different "subjects". You seem to be oscillating between the two.

You've addressed the idea of sowing, great! But, I asked several questions directly related to reaping (for simplicities sake, I'm sticking with the analogy elucidated in the parable above).

In previous posts you seem to imply (over and over, I might add) that children and salvation are an uncommon occurrence. I was asking for more clarification on that. I was saved at 5, baptized at 12 and have never doubted the veracity of God's work in that process. My wife would have the same road-map as would millions of others. Are we deluded?

You do know that there are multitudes that look JUST to a single experience /time with god as time they got saved, but show NO evidence since then, just relying upon that , right?

Think BOTH of you are right, in that Kids can and do get saved, but also that many are relying upon salvation when might not have really been the case!

 

[ashleysdad]

That's nice and all, but...

- Does it count if it was salt water (appears to be) and not fresh? Which was Jesus baptized in?

- Was the water temp correct at the actual time of the baptism? Was it Jordon-like enough?

- And the clothing, don't forget that, shouldn't the administrators be wearing proper mid-eastern-period garb? Those men look to be dressed in overly modern-western.

- And how do we know the child simply didn't want a trip to the beach? You know children, they're LIKE THAT!!!

But seriously and begging your indulgence and forgiveness (if necessary). All my points above are absurdity meant to parrot and mock earlier posts in this thread.

What a wonderful picture. Praise God for children seeking the Lord so young and following His will, in obedience and love. And sorry again, for using your lovely post to demonstrate my sarcasm relating to some of the prior ridiculous posts. The juxtaposition of the legalism presented by some and the beauty in the picture you've posted is just too much to let pass.

I wish I had pictures of my own down-in-floor baptism from ages ago. It was a memorable experience. Ironically, I was twelve at the time, but saved at five.

Obviously you are mistaken, EVERYONE knows that a five year old can simply NOT understand enough to be saved! You were probably just looking for attention or scared about something! Hopefully you have really gotten saved since then! (lol). Please understand this as sarcasm. My oldest daughter was saved at 5 years old and is an amazing witness for Christ (she is now 15). She goes to a public high school and is WELL known by friends and everyone else (including teachers) as a real Christian. I could not tell you the number of times that she has had her friends at school call her to ask her to pray about something for them, or the number of friends that she has brought to Christ. So glad she did not run into some on this board when she was five! lol

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Obviously you are mistaken, EVERYONE knows that a five year old can simply NOT understand enough to be saved! You were probably just looking for attention or scared about something! Hopefully you have really gotten saved since then! (lol). Please understand this as sarcasm. My oldest daughter was saved at 5 years old and is an amazing witness for Christ (she is now 15). She goes to a public high school and is WELL known by friends and everyone else (including teachers) as a real Christian. I could not tell you the number of times that she has had her friends at school call her to ask her to pray about something for them, or the number of friends that she has brought to Christ. So glad she did not run into some on this board when she was five! lol

Touching simply touching. :laugh:

 

[saturneptune]

It is incredible this thread even exists. Salvation is of the Lord, not a time table established by goofy theologeans.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is incredible this thread even exists. Salvation is of the Lord, not a time table established by goofy theologeans.

Then what do we need them for? Your expression of "Goofy" is being gracious. I had salvation before I was even born....I just didnt know it.