How Does Your View of Election/Predestination Affect Your Practical Theology?

[Particular]

Please review this post from an older thread: . . . in sanctification of the Spirit . . . .

"Quickening" as you call it occurs at the point of the inward call or effectual call. It is a work of the Holy Spirit.

Of course, the Ordo Salutis is not so much a chronological chain of events that must take place as it is a logical order.

Thanks in that thread you stated:

Well, we already started off with an irreconcilable disagreement between Calvinists and non-Calvinists. The Monergist (Calvinist) Ordo Salutis is:

Election/Predestination
Atonement
Gospel Call
Inward (effectual) call
Regeneration
Faith and repentance (conversion)
Justification
Sanctification
Glorification

We seem to be in agreement.

 

[glad4mercy]

Please review this post from an older thread: . . . in sanctification of the Spirit . . . .

"Quickening" as you call it occurs at the point of the inward call or effectual call. It is a work of the Holy Spirit.

Of course, the Ordo Salutis is not so much a chronological chain of events that must take place as it is a logical order.

Agreed.

Just to play the other side for a moment. How would you respond grammatically to the following argument?

Colossians 2:13. He has quickened us having forgiven all our sins.

A. This seems to indicate that quickening is predicated on being forgiven.

B. And being forgiven is predicated on faith (justified by faith).

C. So we are both quickened and justified through faith.

(Though we know also that faith (and repentance)too is/are the gifts of God wrought by His Grace alone.

not saying this is my position, but asking you where the error is, if applicable

 

[Reformed]

Agreed.

Just to play the other side for a moment. How would you respond grammatically to the following argument?

Colossians 2:13. He has quickened us having forgiven all our sins.

A. This seems to indicate that quickening is predicated on being forgiven.

B. And being forgiven is predicated on faith (justified by faith).

C. So we are both quickened and justified through faith.

(Though we know also that faith (and repentance)too is/are the gifts of God wrought by His Grace alone.

not saying this is my position, but asking you where the error is, if applicable

The word for "quicken(ed)" in Colossians 2:13 actually means to be made alive. It is not the same as quickening or illumination in the Ordo Salutis.

 

[glad4mercy]

The word for "quicken(ed)" in Colossians 2:13 actually means to be made alive. It is not the same as quickening or illumination in the Ordo Salutis.

made alive would be regeneration, yes?

and to quicken is the act of quickening...always means “to make alive”.

 

[Calminian]

You have a point.

Sometimes I don't know right away.
It can take a while...
But over time if they continue to resist, the best thing that I can do is walk away and leave it in the Lord's hands.

However, the Bible does say,

" He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God." ( John 8:47 ).

So, I look at it this way...if they are His, they will eventually listen.
If they are not, no Scripture that I can provide will ever "get through" to them.

Paul didn't just cite Scripture, though, he persuaded and reasoned from Scripture. It would seem logical for us to do that same. Citing Scripture, in and of itself, is not necessarily evangelizing or sowing. Listening and learning where people are at, and then reasoning with them from Scripture is evangelizing.

Yes, this often also will fall on deaf ears, but it's more inline with Paul's example.