How Far Are The Pro-Vaxers Willing To Go?

[RipponRedeaux]

Are there any limits that you have in mind in which you would view that the government is overstepping its bounds and I will not comply?

For instance, are you comfortable with checkpoints if you drive outside your county? The authorities would force you to show them your papers (or digitally). Your vax status would determine if you'd be forced to return home or not. The rules would make some of you to take a test to determine if you are positive or negative for any variant (although no test can actually do that.)

Take a look around the world. Do you know what's happening in Australia, Austria, Germany, New Zealand and Canada. Then try to process the notion that it could happen where you live. It is not a conspiracy theory. We are way past the fact that our own government (with an assist from MOSSAD) was responsible for 911. Your eyes should be open that a small number of super wealthy elites are running the world and they have plans. Big plans for us useless eaters.

Getting back to my topic and lead paragraph : At what point would you resist what the government tells you what to do? Hand over your children, we will take care of them. The unvaxxed are not allowed to shop for groceries. These are just some sample items that are taking place in our world and it could take place here --and soon. It was never about health, but minute control of every living human --and seeing to it that many will die.

 

[JonC]

I'd say waterboarding is probably a bit too far. At least if done for an extended amount of time.

On a serious note, as there are thus far no countries keeping people from buying groceries due to vaccine status it's hard to take the op seriously.

But as far as limits go, I would draw the line at denying others their constitutional rights.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

I'd say waterboarding is probably a bit too far. At least if done for an extended amount of time.

I gave a list of possible scenarios, why don't you address them?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

But as far as limits go, I would draw the line at denying others their constitutional rights.

All of the possibilities I list in my OP would certainly violate the Constitution.

Here's another because it is happening in other nations and might soon occur in New York State: Do you think it is right, constitutionally or otherwise to detain the unjabbed in FEMA camps i.e. prisons?

 

[JonC]

I gave a list of possible scenarios, why don't you address them?

Sure....all of those listed that would violate the US Constitution.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Sure....all of those listed that would violate the US Constitution.

All items mentioned in my OP would violate the Constitution.

When will your eyes be open to the fact that governments are trying to control us? The "virus" was just an excuse to get us in conformity and compliance; or more correctly into a state of totalitarianism.

 

[JonC]

All items mentioned in my OP would violate the Constitution.

When will your eyes be open to the fact that governments are trying to control us? The "virus" was just an excuse to get us in conformity and compliance; or more correctly into a state of totalitarianism.

What is wrong with you? I said I would be against any measure that violates the US Constitution, you acknowledge my statements, but then carry on as if I said exactly the opposite if what I said.

 

[37818]

At what point would you resist what the government tells you what to do?

At what cost?

 

[Two Wings]

At what cost?

I presume the cost would be the rest/more of your personal freedom. My freedom to go & do ... anything, for example ... without some sort of process to be approved or at least acknowledged.

This has already been done with water in Texas. Can't drill a water well without notification ... or permit if the well capacity exceeds a certain rate.

Control the water ... control the population. This is what the "Waters Act" (WOTUS) intended to do ... regulate all water. Hello.

 

[DaveXR650]

I told my wife back in early spring when they started making vaccinations available to the general public that there will come a time when everyone who wants one will have one. At that point we need to leave people alone. I saw two things play out in this:

1. Progressives who gravitate towards certain occupations like health care administration did indeed use this as a great reset and the beginning of a new world order. They said so themselves.

2. Conservatives and Christians over reacted because a pandemic involving a new disease which was feared initially would have a 10 percent mortality rate is a legitimate area for the government to get involved in. You may not like some health department official trying to get people to get a vaccination but I have seen well known preachers compare such an action to the actions of people running death camps in Nazi Germany. You look like a pathetic idiot when you do this.

We better all realize that every defense department in the world now is working hard to start coming up with weaponized viruses. The technology is here already - if you can develop a custom vaccine in months, you are close to developing a pathogenic virus also. This is probably bigger than the invention of gunpowder.

You better also realize that we can have these hyperbolic discussions about rights because the Covid did not happen like everyone feared. If the day comes when an outbreak occurs that either has a high mortality 10-20%, or if it affects children more that us old coots then you better not get in the way of the scared population and the government. They used to shoot people down south if they left their designated areas during yellow fever epidemics. In frontier America, if you had small pox, after you either survived or died your cabin would be burned to the ground without any concern for your rights.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

What is wrong with you? I said I would be against any measure that violates the US Constitution, you acknowledge my statements, but then carry on as if I said exactly the opposite if what I said.

So you are in agreement that our government and governments internationally are trying to control us. You also agree that the 'virus' was an excuse to get us into conformity and compliance --that they want to move into a totalitarian state.

 

[JonC]

So you are in agreement that our government and governments internationally are trying to control us. You also agree that the 'virus' was an excuse to get us into conformity and compliance --that they want to move into a totalitarian state.

Politicians are always trying to control us. This is how they derive power.

And yes, I have repeatedly said both political parties were competing to use the virus for political purposes.

Politically we have been in a totalitarian state for a very long time. We have two political parties that feed off one another while maintaining power by fearmongering and ensuring they never meet their party's stated goals (the real goal is to maintain power). Each side benefits from controlling one aspect of the media while calling attention to the other. We are ruled by two parties which are different sides of the same coin. And a huge part of this is dictating how their respective disciples think.

Neither political party would let a legitimate crisis go to waste.

 

[Two Wings]

I told my wife back in early spring when they started making vaccinations available to the general public that there will come a time when everyone who wants one will have one. At that point we need to leave people alone. I saw two things play out in this:

1. Progressives who gravitate towards certain occupations like health care administration did indeed use this as a great reset and the beginning of a new world order. They said so themselves.

2. Conservatives and Christians over reacted because a pandemic involving a new disease which was feared initially would have a 10 percent mortality rate is a legitimate area for the government to get involved in. You may not like some health department official trying to get people to get a vaccination but I have seen well known preachers compare such an action to the actions of people running death camps in Nazi Germany. You look like a pathetic idiot when you do this.

We better all realize that every defense department in the world now is working hard to start coming up with weaponized viruses. The technology is here already - if you can develop a custom vaccine in months, you are close to developing a pathogenic virus also. This is probably bigger than the invention of gunpowder.

You better also realize that we can have these hyperbolic discussions about rights because the Covid did not happen like everyone feared. If the day comes when an outbreak occurs that either has a high mortality 10-20%, or if it affects children more that us old coots then you better not get in the way of the scared population and the government. They used to shoot people down south if they left their designated areas during yellow fever epidemics. In frontier America, if you had small pox, after you either survived or died your cabin would be burned to the ground without any concern for your rights.

I agree with most of this.

I think there's an underplay of "making available" ... the lead up to the cv vax rollout wasn't too far from those who welcomed with palm leaves Jesus on the donkey into Jerusalem on Passover. Then the ludicrous incentives; both in WHAT they were (donuts, paid time off, trucks, guns, lap dances) and the VALUE of what they were.

THEN ... the coercion with "jab or job." Papers to dine in, etc. by order of the government.

AFA the nazi comparisons ... I think it's too soon to declare "pathetic idiot" ... cause the parallels are strikingly similar. We just don't yet have 6 million casualties. I hope we don't. I pray there'll be recognition of this mess soon and corrective action taken before the damage is beyond repair. I appreciate the sensitivity to the parallel ... but we shouldn't dismiss it yet just because it's sensitive.

Def Dpts ... DARPA had a project I thought was going to be operational by now. Maybe it is ... but it was an implantable chip to monitor vital signs and even infection of covid ... AND be able to transmit that information when interrogated. Hello.

Yes ... anarchy is coming ... then this dude with all the answers will make a huge splash on the scene. Beware. Be Alert. Be Ready.

My preps include being ready for 90 days with no power ... access to food markets ... abiding in The Word for knowledge of God, peace of God, and wisdom of God ... while praying in faith --- He didn't bring me this far to leave me and I'll avoid loving my life to save it. For I know who holds me in the palm of His hand.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Politicians are always trying to control us. This is how they derive power.

And yes, I have repeatedly said both political parties were competing to use the virus for political purposes.

Politically we have been in a totalitarian state for a very long time. We have two political parties that feed off one another while maintaining power by fearmongering and ensuring they never meet their party's stated goals (the real goal is to maintain power). Each side benefits from controlling one aspect of the media while calling attention to the other. We are ruled by two parties which are different sides of the same coin. And a huge part of this is dictating how their respective disciples think.

Neither political party would let a legitimate crisis go to waste.

You don't know what totalitarianism is. No freedom of movement unless Big Brother says so. You can't go more than 3 or so miles from your home. You may not even own a car. You are not allowed to eat whatever you want. Your property will be turned over to others. Every aspect of your life is governed by the overlords.
You don't have access to your bank account unless okayed by BB. Social Security money could be taken away entirely. A social index scoring system will be in place and the lower your numerical value the more restrictive your life becomes. Those who object/resist the dictates of the government will be cast into FEMA camps where they can do whatever they want to you.
Rights? LOL. You have none. That's what full-blown totalitarianism looks like. It is world's away from what we are experiencing now in America. But for folks in most of Australia? They are living in that state of tyranny right now. Take a close look. It's coming our way...Unless the Lord intercedes.

 

[AustinC]

You don't know what totalitarianism is. No freedom of movement unless Big Brother says so. You can't go more than 3 or so miles from your home. You may not even own a car. You are not allowed to eat whatever you want. Your property will be turned over to others. Every aspect of your life is governed by the overlords.
You don't have access to your bank account unless okayed by BB. Social Security money could be taken away entirely. A social index scoring system will be in place and the lower your numerical value the more restrictive your life becomes. Those who object/resist the dictates of the government will be cast into FEMA camps where they can do whatever they want to you.
Rights? LOL. You have none. That's what full-blown totalitarianism looks like. It is world's away from what we are experiencing now in America. But for folks in most of Australia? They are living in that state of tyranny right now. Take a close look. It's coming our way...Unless the Lord intercedes.

Really!? Australia is under totalitarian control?
A buddy of mine, and his wife, just took a cross country road trip across Australia, showing the journey on Facebook. Were they under military arrest the whole time?
Are you going to barricade yourself in and then tell yourself you are following Christ?
Come on, brother, trust God and be a light rather than hiding your light under a bushel basket.

 

[Two Wings]

In NY, Chicago, and LA, one must have a valid cv jab card to dine in a restaurant, among other things.

Those in Australia are not all living in a totalitarian govt (yet) ... but the cv jab passers are.

 

[AustinC]

In NY, Chicago, and LA, one must have a valid cv jab card to dine in a restaurant, among other things.

Those in Australia are not all living in a totalitarian govt (yet) ... but the cv jab passers are.

Y'all living in fear. Honestly, as a Christian we have no fear. Death has no sting to the redeemed. Why are you so freaked out about puny men?

 

[JonC]

You don't know what totalitarianism is. No freedom of movement unless Big Brother says so. You can't go more than 3 or so miles from your home. You may not even own a car. You are not allowed to eat whatever you want. Your property will be turned over to others. Every aspect of your life is governed by the overlords.
You don't have access to your bank account unless okayed by BB. Social Security money could be taken away entirely. A social index scoring system will be in place and the lower your numerical value the more restrictive your life becomes. Those who object/resist the dictates of the government will be cast into FEMA camps where they can do whatever they want to you.
Rights? LOL. You have none. That's what full-blown totalitarianism looks like. It is world's away from what we are experiencing now in America. But for folks in most of Australia? They are living in that state of tyranny right now. Take a close look. It's coming our way...Unless the Lord intercedes.

I know what it is. We are not there yet, but both parties are working towards that direction in different ways.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Are you going to barricade yourself in and then tell yourself you are following Christ?
Come on, brother, trust God and be a light rather than hiding your light under a bushel basket.

I never said or intimated any such things. Deal with what I actually say. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Two Wings]

I know what it is. We are not there yet, but both parties are working towards that direction in different ways.

I agree with this.

consolidate power is the name of the game. And the game is being played as it has been foretold.

it's VERY late in the game.