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How Free Will Turns the Gospel into Law and Grace into Works.

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Revmitchell

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Dave Gilbert said:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." ( Hebrews 11:1 )

I see it very plainly.

Chain it together with other declarations in God's word:

" So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." ( Romans 10:17 )
" Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." ( Jude 1:3 )

"Hearing" is how it comes...by the word of God.
The saints are who it's delivered to.


...and it makes perfect sense.
As in other threads, faith is a gift ( Ephesians 2:8 ), authored and finished by Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 11:1 ), that not all men possess ( 2 Thessalonians 3:2 ).

The very words establish it.
Where do you think I get it...John Calvin? ;)

I pick up His word, and dig into it...
It's amazing what comes out.


It's all to the glory of God and His mercy.:)
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We are never going to agree that faith is a gift. All you have said thus far is pinned on that one doctrine you hold to.
 
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1689Dave said:
Belief is a fruit of the Holy Spirit too
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Yeah, well, you can say that until the second coming. Nowhere in scripture is it stated that belief is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

I think what you meant to say is, "faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit." That is another on of your mantras you repeatedly inflict on this board and another one that is not borne out in scripture. Any honest interpretation of Galatians 5:22 knows the word is 'faithfulness' and not faith.
 
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Revmitchell said:
We are never going to agree that faith is a gift. All you have said thus far is pinned on that one doctrine you hold to.
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“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;” Ephesians 2:8 (NASB95)
 
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InTheLight said:
Yeah, well, you can say that until the second coming. Nowhere in scripture is it stated that belief is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

I think what you meant to say is, "faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit." That is another on of your mantras you repeatedly inflict on this board and another one that is not borne out in scripture. Any honest interpretation of Galatians 5:22 knows the word is 'faithfulness' and not faith.
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“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,” Galatians 5:22 (NASB95)
 
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Revmitchell said:
That is a red herring.
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To me, any "offer" of the Gospel that involves man making a decision, is speaking to fallen pride, fallen "what's in it for me", etc.

Preaching Christ crucified and "letting the chips fall where they may", is relying on God to do His work through the Spirit, and not relying on man's will to decide who is saved and who is not.

No matter how one slices it, there's no merit in God giving a gift to someone who is not expecting it.
There is merit in God rewarding someone who can gain it by "properly accepting it."

With that said, I will drop this line of address, because it is obvious that you and I see the Gospel very, very differently.:(
Nothing I've said, posted or otherwise attempted to convince you of, has made any difference in your thinking, from my perspective.
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We are never going to agree that faith is a gift.
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I can see that.
I can also see that when I post scriptures, you and I don't even see the words the same way.

With that said, I can see that we will never agree on how salvation "works", because you appear to emphasize the parts you see, while my emphasis is entirely different, in many cases.

In the end, it is fully within your right to teach and preach what you wish before God...
But I cannot be party to something that reduces His message to His children, as something akin to a market deal.:Sick
 
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1689Dave said:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;” Ephesians 2:8 (NASB95)
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For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;” Ephesians 2:8 (NASB95)
 
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