'How Gender Neutral Bible Translations Endanger Christian Marriage

[Rippon2]

I have gone over the above so many times it would make someone's head swim.

First 1 Timothy 2:12 as rendered in the NIV :
"I do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

The NET Bible has a note saying according to BDAG, "this greek verb means 'to assume a stance of independent authority, give orders to, dictate to' In other words tell a man what to do.

John Calvin has the same kind of rendering as the NIV, and you can't convince me he was a feminist. Besides. "I do not permit a woman to teach. She must be quiet. That would be some twisted logic trying to convince someone that the NIV is following the Feminist party line.

Verse 11 in the NIB states :
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission."

How anyone can make accusations against the NIV when things are stated so clearly means the accusers have an agenda. And yes, it's a wicked one.

 

[Yeshua1]

Tell me, Y1, why is "Junias" a "man's name"?

I will let Dr Wallace adress this issue!
Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7 | Bible.org

 

[Rippon2]

I will let Dr Wallace adress this issue!
Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7 | Bible.org

He's on the NIV team now. Nothing he said in the article condemns the rendering of the NIV. The text of the NIV doesn't mean those two were apostles.

Secondly, a lot of translations render one of them as Junia. The NKJ, LEB, ESV. CSB, WEB and a lot more.

Again, Y-1, you are up a creek without a paddle.

 

[Yeshua1]

He's on the NIV team now. Nothing he said in the article condemns the rendering of the NIV. The text of the NIV doesn't mean those two were apostles.

Secondly, a lot of translations render one of them as Junia. The NKJ, LEB, ESV. CSB, WEB and a lot more.

Again, Y-1, you are up a creek without a paddle.

The point being made is that in both passages, there is a move from there being no question of male headship and leadership to now it can become a debate!

 

[Jerome]

“Junias”...a man’s name...“Junia”...a woman’s name

Tell me, Y1, why is "Junias" a "man's name"?

I will let Dr Wallace adress this issue!
Junia Among the Apostles: The Double Identification Problem in Romans 16:7 | Bible.org

Wallace debunks what you posted!

Wallace says that "no instances of Junias as a man’s name have surfaced to date in Greek literature" and the data do not yield themselves in the direction of regarding the name as masculine, but suggests a feminine name!

Again:

“Junias”...a man’s name...“Junia”...a woman’s name

Tell me, Y1, why is "Junias" to be taken as a "man's name", but "Junia" as a "woman's name"?

 

[Yeshua1]

Wallace debunks what you posted!

Wallace says that "no instances of Junias as a man’s name have surfaced to date in Greek literature" and the data do not yield themselves in the direction of regarding the name as masculine, but suggests a feminine name!


Tell me, Y1, why is "Junias" to be taken as a "man's name", but "Junia" as a "woman's name"?

Again, the point of Dr Wallace was that regardless if the person named there was female or male, they were not seen as being Apostle!
So the Niv chosen way to translate does seemto indicate leaning towards her being one!

 

[Jerome]

That's not what I asked about.

Here is what I asked you (third time!).

“Junias”...a man’s name...“Junia”...a woman’s name

Why is "Junias" to be taken as a "man's name", but "Junia" as a "woman's name"?

Why can't you answer that?

 

[Yeshua1]

That's not what I asked about.

Here is what I asked you (third time!).


Why is "Junias" to be taken as a "man's name", but "Junia" as a "woman's name"?

Why can't you answer that?

The way that the name is written in the Greek will tell us if male or female!

 

[Jerome]

Again,

You said:

“Junias”...a man’s name...“Junia”...a woman’s name

What exactly about how Junias is written makes it a man's name, as opposed to Junia, a woman's name?

 

[Jerome]

The 2011...feminist-leaning....new NIV changes....1984 NIV 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent [to] 2011 NIV 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

John Calvin has the same kind of rendering as the NIV

Yes, the so-called 'feminist' term "assume authority" is what's used in Calvin's commentary:



I (once again) informed Y1 of this in January, yet here it is trotted out again.

Isn't it maddening?

baptistboard.com/threads/of-the-following-eight-bible-translations-listed-below.114397/page-5#post-2563607

 

[Rippon2]

The way that the name is written in the Greek will tell us if male or female!

These translations are among those that have Junia in Romans 16:7 :
CSB, ISV, NET, CEB, LEB, NLT, ESV, Mounce. Sometimes Y-1, no make that all-too-often, you run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

 

[Yeshua1]

These translations are among those that have Junia in Romans 16:7 :
CSB, ISV, NET, CEB, LEB, NLT, ESV, Mounce. Sometimes Y-1, no make that all-too-often, you run around like a chicken with its head cut off.

One can use that name, and not have it translated as if she was named as an Apostle!

 

[Rippon2]

One can use that name, and not have it translated as if she was named as an Apostle!

Run that past me again? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

 

[Yeshua1]

Run that past me again? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

The problem is not with using her name, but is implying that she is one of the Apostles!

 

[Rippon2]

The problem is not with using her name, but is implying that she is one of the Apostles!

As I have told you dozens of times before, the NASBU uses the same wording as the NIV. How many times do you have to hear the same thing over and over before it clicks in your mind?

 

[Yeshua1]

As I have told you dozens of times before, the NASBU uses the same wording as the NIV. How many times do you have to hear the same thing over and over before it clicks in your mind?

As I have told you dozens of times before, the NASBU uses the same wording as the NIV. How many times do you have to hear the same thing over and over before it clicks in your mind?

Romans 16:7 New International Version (NIV)
7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding amonga]">[a] the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was.
Romans 16:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 Greet Andronicus and a]">[a]Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also b]">[b]were in Christ before me.
How are they saying same thing?

 

[Rippon2]

Both translations say that they "are outstanding among the apostles." And that was your major complaint.

 

[Yeshua1]

Both translations say that they "are outstanding among the apostles." And that was your major complaint.

Nas identifies as a Him, Niv as a her, and is implying that she is also an Apostle!

 

[Rippon2]

Nas identifies as a Him, Niv as a her, and is implying that she is also an Apostle!

I just named eight Bible translations that use the same name as the NIV. Why don't you start a stupid campaign against them as well?

 

[Jerome]

Nas identifies as a Him, Niv as a her

Huh?

What about J-U-N-I-A-S makes you conclude it's a male name?
What about J-U-N-I-A makes you conclude it's a female name?