How I get to which day is the "Lord's Day"

[LeBuick]

I was trying to find the council that switched worship to Sunday but couldn't remember how to spell Laodicean. While looking I stumbled across this great page on the Sabbath in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbath

I remembered it had to do with Christians trying to distance themselves from the Jews but couldn't remember when they did it.

"It is known that Gentile Christians sometimes openly observed the Biblical Sabbath in conjunction with first-day Sunday worship, because the Council of Laodicea [4] around 365 attempted to put a stop to the practice. Some conjecture, then, that prior to the Laodicean council Saturday was observed as a Sabbath and Sunday as a day of worship, primarily in Palestine; but after the Laodicean Council, resting on the Sabbath was forbidden. This is often considered an attempt of the early Christian church to distance itself from Judaism which had become unpopular in the Roman Empire after the Jewish-Roman wars, see also Constantine I and Christianity#Constantine and the Jews."

 

[BobRyan]

Quoting Moyoala,

"In reality, every day is the Sabbath. We are called to worship God everyday, not just on a Seventh."

Another of those RCC laws I have previously referred to.

But here again is most obvious how the Sabbath is always viewed - by both Sabbatharians and anti-sabbatharians - as having all to do man's works, as if GOD's works of and on the Sabbath DAY, are of no consequence.

It is in fact a "mortal sin" (says the RCC) to reject Sunday Mass and instead opt for Monday.

 

[BobRyan]

Speaking of the RC claim that Isaiah 1 shows God to be "turning against" his own Sabbath - Holy day

GE posts

Quotes Bob: "Exegesis demands that we view it as did the author of the text for original intent."

Now read your post just before this one - What is intended in the full record of the Sabbath's institution at creation? One does not READ anything of mankind's involvement; neither of Jesus Christ's. So how can you say I'm not allowed to say the ultimate intention of this Scripture is to fore-see Christ in His finishing of alll the works of God, yet you see fir to bring in its applicability to mankind?

#1. How in the world is that topic in any related to the Isaiah 1 point you quoted as its context and the Isaiah 56, 58 and 66 references SHOWING that God is NOT turning against His Sabbath in Isaiah 1?

GE
If it weren't for Christ, this institution would have been of no value for and of no bearing upon humankind.
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Christ IS GOD - the Creator of all. If it were not for GOD we would not have GOD's memorial of Creation.

That is a given.

 

[BobRyan]

What is the Baltimore Catechism?

Maryland is a historic HUB in the US for the RCC. The Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II was a major work in the US explaining the new updated views of the RCC after Vatican II.

 

[God's Word is TRUTH]

so if Jesus hadnt of repeated the commandment about Thou shalt not kill you guys would be advocating that its ok to murder people now? LOL! what kinda reasoning is that?

the point is that he did repeat that command and every other command that he wanted Christians to follow, since we are no longer under the old covanent. but the new built on better promises. and he doesn't tell us that we need to meet on saturday.

In Christian Love,

Dustin

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus never repeated the command aginst taking the Lord's Name in vain - Nor did Jesus repeat the commandment against making idols/images.

But that is not because the precross teaching of God was - "this is ok to violate".

There is NO priniciple in scripture of the form "Whatever is not constantly repeated can be deleted" - yet some cling to that hope.

In fact The Commandments PRE-CROSS have to be the ones GOD gave us in Exodus 20!

Chrsit said PRECROSS "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments".

Christ is God.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting LeBuick,
"True about physical only being a by-product of this blessing, however, is Heb 4 referring to the sabbath, spiritual rest (as in the gift of giving all your burdens over to Christ)[v3] or eternal rest with God (v9-11)?"

Two things stand out in Hebrews chapter 4: 1, The works of GOD; 2, with its worth for "the PEOPLE" or Church.

That's why an individual's works or abstaining from works is of less importance and virtually of no consequence, as far as this chapter is concerned.

Note that the REST of God in not passivity, but rather surpasses any of His other (general) works like creating or sustaining. God's rest is His salvation : His deeds through and in Jesus Christ; and the ultimate hereof is (was) His resurrection from the dead.

This is no different evaluation of what God's rest is than what is found in the first book of the Bible already. If one doesn't see and doesn't FIND Jesus in Genesis, I strongly feel he hasn't yet been found by Christ.

For me the Sabbth is God's chosen instrument and servant to accomplish this function and purpose - to 'discover' Christ as it were, and to serve His People to duely worship their Saviour God.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Speaking of the RC claim that Isaiah 1 shows God to be "turning against" his own Sabbath - Holy day

GE posts


#1. How in the world is that topic in any related to the Isaiah 1 point you quoted as its context and the Isaiah 56, 58 and 66 references SHOWING that God is NOT turning against His Sabbath in Isaiah 1?



Christ IS GOD - the Creator of all. If it were not for GOD we would not have GOD's memorial of Creation.

That is a given.

First, but least - I think ther's a bit of a mix-up with the verses - Is1 etal.

Two,
God never turned against His Sabbath; nor did I. But I tell you, for as long as you resist Jesus Christ the Alpha and Omega of the - God's - Sabbath DAY, you're against it!

Example, "Christ IS GOD - the Creator of all. If it were not for GOD we would not have GOD's memorial of Creation."

Christ is Saviour God, first of all. If it were not for Jesus, for His suffering, dying and resurrection from the dead, there would have been no creation to commemorate or celebrate; so the Christian celebrates God's Sabbath - Seventh Day of the week, for Christ's sake, firstly and lastly. And this order is absolutely obvious and preferable, from Colossians 2:12 and further. Verse 16 and its "THEREFOR"-oun, completely relies on what Jesus had done as Saviour - through His resurrection namely. One could paraphrase faithfully: "BECAUSE JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD, therefore do not you let yourselves be judged or condemned for celebrating your Sabbaths' Feasts."

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

the point is that he did repeat that command and every other command that he wanted Christians to follow, since we are no longer under the old covanent. but the new built on better promises. and he doesn't tell us that we need to meet on saturday.

In Christian Love,

Dustin

Jesus said a lot more than what He said in so many words - He proclaimed the Gospel through deed more than through the spoken word - and most of His words in any case were not taken up in Scripture, but every deed of His of eternal consequence is recorded. Hence the Sabbath Day of the New Testament. It is much clearer in the NT than in the Old. Jesus is the revelation of God and of His will: Jesus is the Law of God.

The SDA's like to talk of the Law (OT) as being the true reflection of the 'character of God'; I've not once heard them say it of Jesus. But since Jesus - as the Law - reflects God's character in perfect unison and harmony with the OT word of Oath of God in Promise, I cannot for the life of me see how the Sabbath had to make place for Sunday.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BobRyan,
If I could persuad you to see your folly in the following, you might turn pro-Christian Sabbath ... "The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose on "Week day one" (not the Lord's Day) - BECAUSE that is when He rose from the dead. They never state "because in doing so He gave us instruction to keep week day one as the LORD's Day AND as the new Sabbath". But that certianly would be something TO SAY if that was a teaching they had in mind."

Repeat after me, word for word, just this once, please? So that you can hear what I say, and not just storm ahead with your ideas???
The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose "IN the Sabbath's fulness of being light BEFORE Week day one" (WHICH MAKES OF THE SABBATH, the Lord's Day) - BECAUSE that is when He rose from the dead. The Scriptures ALWAYS state 'because in doing so He gave meaning the day of the Sabbath as the LORD's Day AND as the new Sabbath'. That certianly would be something TO BELIEVE if that was THE teaching they had in mind.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

qUOTING bOBrYAN,
"Christ IS GOD - the Creator of all. If it were not for GOD we would not have GOD's memorial of Creation.

That is a given."

No one comes to the Father except through the Son. That is a given. You would not have known ANYTHING about God unless you knew it through Jesus Christ ... without God, without hope, without salvation, damned and dumb like the gross of mankind. Creation would have been annihilated, were it not Christ redeemed it - If you want to celebrate creation, celebrate its salvation! This lesson was taught Israel already, when the 'Creation'-Sabbath had to make place for the 'Redemption'-Sabbath in the Decalogue. The Jews were blind to the Messianic meaning of this change; so are you and the Seventh Day Adventists. I pray you may one day see ...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

the point is that he did repeat that command and every other command that he wanted Christians to follow, since we are no longer under the old covanent. but the new built on better promises. and he doesn't tell us that we need to meet on saturday.

In Christian Love,

Dustin

In Christian love, Dustin, why would Jesus repeat the Sabbath Commandment if we no longer are under the OC? And why would He 'tell us' that we need to meet on the Sabbath Day if the NC is built on better promises - indeed upon the Promise of God come true in Jesus?
But in fact Jesus between the lines told us nothing short of keeping allegiance of the Sabbath Day when He said that He, the Son of man, is Lord of the Sabbath Day and that it was made (by Him) for man's ultimate sake -- for man's good through the Gospel of Christ? -- Which is worship of our Lord on that Day Chosen of the Lord?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You know, BobRyan, I can't help to take exception and get cross when you so sure of yourself declare: "The Gopel writers REVEALED" that Jesus rose on the First Day of the week. That is NOT the "Gospel writers", "revealing" - that is anti-christ, distorting the Gospel.

 

[God's Word is TRUTH]

In Christian love, Dustin, why would Jesus repeat the Sabbath Commandment if we no longer are under the OC? And why would He 'tell us' that we need to meet on the Sabbath Day if the NC is built on better promises - indeed upon the Promise of God come true in Jesus?
But in fact Jesus between the lines told us nothing short of keeping allegiance of the Sabbath Day when He said that He, the Son of man, is Lord of the Sabbath Day and that it was made (by Him) for man's ultimate sake -- for man's good through the Gospel of Christ? -- Which is worship of our Lord on that Day Chosen of the Lord?

because some of the commandments were carried over into the new covanent, the ones that Christ told us to keep. and he didn't mention the sabbath. and we find that the apostles gathered on the first day of the week to break bread(partake of the Lord's supper)

In Christian Love,

Dustin

 

[BobRyan]

Bob said If I could persuad you to see your folly in the following, you might turn pro-Christian Sabbath ... "The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose on "Week day one" (not the Lord's Day) - BECAUSE that is when He rose from the dead. They never state "because in doing so He gave us instruction to keep week day one as the LORD's Day AND as the new Sabbath". But that certianly would be something TO SAY if that was a teaching they had in mind."[/quote]

Repeat after me, word for word, just this once, please? So that you can hear what I say, and not just storm ahead with your ideas???
The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose "IN the Sabbath's fulness of being light BEFORE Week day one"

Try reading the Bible instead of making stuff up.

(How many times would you like me to repeat that?)

Or are you really that frustated that the linguists and translators of all major translations ignore your fantasy?

 

[Jim1999]

How do I get to the Lord's Day? Simple, I observe my calendar and Sunday follows Saturday, the last working day of the week.

As a twice-born believer, I take every opportunity to join my brethren on the Lord's Day at church on Sunday as we celebrate His glorious resurrection to life.

You can do as you please.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[EdSutton]

Uh haven't read the thread, but how about every day is the Lord's Day- every single one of 'em that has ever been, is now, or ever will be?

Ed

 

[BobRyan]

Uh haven't read the thread, but how about every day is the Lord's Day- every single one of 'em that has ever been, is now, or ever will be?

Ed

That's a good text of scripture - please give the reference.

 

[EdSutton]

That's a good text of scripture - please give the reference.

Well, bein' as you asked- [Although I was not tryin' to quote a particular Scripture, (and don't do all that good makin' 'em up as I go, unlike some, maybe).] How 'bout -

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. (Col.1:16-17)

Or maybe -

24 This is the day the LORD has made; We will rejoice and be glad in it. (Ps. 118:24)

There's a couple! And since I 'figger' God created all things including days (Check out Genesis 1 for that 'un.), and the day the Psalmist wrote was not the only "This" day to ever exist, I 'figger' they fit.

Ed

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Bob said If I could persuad you to see your folly in the following, you might turn pro-Christian Sabbath ... "The Gospel writers REVEALED that Jesus rose on "Week day one" (not the Lord's Day) - BECAUSE that is when He rose from the dead. They never state "because in doing so He gave us instruction to keep week day one as the LORD's Day AND as the new Sabbath". But that certianly would be something TO SAY if that was a teaching they had in mind."[/quote]



Try reading the Bible instead of making stuff up.

(How many times would you like me to repeat that?)

Or are you really that frustated that the linguists and translators of all major translations ignore your fantasy?

You have never read the Bible if you've never read this, there in Mt.28:1.
You also can read it in the AV and quite a few other Translations, and in GREAT scholars - yea, the greatest of them. You may simply go read the Greek - even in some newer tr. in the Gr.

But far more important is the nature of the Sabbath throughout Holy Writ - that it promised the event of Jesus' resurrection from the dead as God's ultimate "WORK" of power which He "WORKED" in obtainment of the Divine Rest.

You are not incapabale of seeing this; you hold yourself blind to it - you fear - fear to admit mistake. That is why you refuse the light that was shining upon the Sabbath truth from God's very observation of it.