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billwald said:Christianity is either a religion or a scam.
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:If Roman Catholicism were Christianity, it would immediately stop and bann its grotesque and rampant idolatry. Because idolatry is based on ignorance.
xdisciplex said:What happens if a person wants to get saved and accept Jesus but the person doesn't have enough knowledge about God and the gospel? Can everything fail because of a lack of knowledge or because of misconceptions or misunderstandings? Let's say somebody is sincere and wants to get saved but he has misconceptions and thinks that works matter or that Jesus only died for the sins which you do until you repent and after that you have to pay a penalty every time you sin then could such a person not be born again because the misconceptions are simply too big? I mean if somebody really doesn't know it any better then does God sit up there and simply deny that the person gets born again?
Maybe you can only get saved when you heard the full gospel before and when somebody explained everything to you before. But what about those which had no access to the full gospel or those which only have a limited knowledge about Jesus and which still want to get saved?
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:GE:
Your explanation contains self-contradictory statements.
If the Lord knew them, they would be saved, and will learn and 'know how to call on the name of the Lord'. For 'the knowledge required for one to be saved is simply the gospel message, fulstop! 'Apart from this salvation', there is no knowing 'how to respond to it'.
Gerhard Ebersoehn said:GE:
If the Lord knew them, they would be saved, and will learn and 'know how to call on the name of the Lord'. For 'the knowledge required for one to be saved is simply the gospel message, fulstop! 'Apart from this salvation', there is no knowing 'how to respond to it'.
Eliyahu said:Responding to the OP question, I would remember the Robber at the Cross didn't have much knowledge about God and His Son, but knew that Jesus was the Savior for him, and just asked Him to remember him.
Eliyahu said:. YOur intellectual understanding cannot change your life, but the Holy Spirit dwellin in you can change your life.
bmerr said:Eliyahu.
bmerr here. Something else to consider with the thief is that since Jesus was still alive, the Old Testament was still in effect (Heb 9:16-17). The thief was saved without a doubt, but he was not saved under the New Testament, which all men are subject to today.
In Christ,
bmerr
Eliyahu said:So do you believe that much knowledge is necessary for the salvation?
Were the OT people saved by their works, while NT people are saved by grace?
Do you know that even the people in OT era were saved by the redmption of the shadow of Christ?