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How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

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Steven Yeadon

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Reynolds said:
As to prophet, I will take the view one of my professors took. He used to say, there is no scripture that proves there are not modern prophets. If someone wants to claim the office, we should judge them as Scripture judged the prophet. They prophesy falsely one time, they are a false prophet and should be stoned.(of course today that stoning would be figurative)
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I agree, but let's try church discipline first. ;)
 
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Steven Yeadon said:
I looked into that in a concordance just now. The only verses I found that don't speak to the Twelve, or Paul, or Jesus the apostle of our faith, or false apostles, are:

Romans 16:7
2 Corinthians 8:23
Philippians 2:25
1 Thessalonians 2:6-7

The more common use of the Greek word could be used here as "envoys" of the churches or apostles. I need to do more homework, and can't be certain yet. However, these verses do not seem enough evidence to base any hard and fast doctrines laying out kooky ideas until we have looked into this more.
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Steven Yeadon said:
I get that.

I'm trying to keep things to the biblical words.

How the term prophet, OT words for prophet and the Greek Prophetes, are used in the bible. 1 Corinthians 14 explains how they are to function in the church.

The word apostle, or apostolos, and how it is used in the bible. The Twelve, including Matthias, and Paul really.

I want to avoid modern constructs added to the words.
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we have the Foundation for theology laid into the church already via OT prophets and NT Apostles, as Jude Himself stated to us that we now have in the Bible the faith once and for all delivered to us, Paul stated what all scriptures are inspired to do for us, so again, why any Apostles needed for today?
 
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atpollard said:
How did Andrew fulfill the function of an Apostle? Or Simon the Zealot?

You are judging all Apostles by the work given to only 3 of the 12 Apostles (John, Peter and Paul). So what did the other 9 Apostles do?
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They would have been watching over local churches, making sure right doctrines and practices were in use, and would have appointed pastors and elders in local regions...
 
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Reynolds said:
There are other named Apostles that did not function as the 12+1+1 and were not called in the same manner.
As to prophet, I will take the view one of my professors took. He used to say, there is no scripture that proves there are not modern prophets. If someone wants to claim the office, we should judge them as Scripture judged the prophet. They prophesy falsely one time, they are a false prophet and should be stoned.(of course today that stoning would be figurative)
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Divine inspiration ended with Apostle John death!
 
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Yeshua1

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Steven Yeadon said:
I looked into that in a concordance just now. The only verses I found that don't speak to the Twelve, or Paul, or Jesus the apostle of our faith, or false apostles, are:

Romans 16:7
2 Corinthians 8:23
Philippians 2:25
1 Thessalonians 2:6-7

The more common use of the Greek word could be used here as "envoys" of the churches or apostles. I need to do more homework, and can't be certain yet. However, these verses do not seem enough evidence to base any hard and fast doctrines laying out kooky ideas until we have looked into this more.
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The most important thing here is that to be qualified as an Apostle, had to either walked with Jesus on earth, or saw Him resurrected, hence Paul last real Apostle, and John last living one!
 
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Yeshua1 said:
The most important thing here is that to be qualified as an Apostle, had to either walked with Jesus on earth, or saw Him resurrected, hence Paul last real Apostle, and John last living one!
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You, not Scripture, which names many other Apostles, decide who are real Apostles and who are not?
 
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Yeshua1

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Reynolds said:
You are illogical. You are going to build a case that every divine revelation given to man by God was recorded in The Bible?
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I am stating that God closed off divine revelations outside of the 66 Books, and that in there are the ONLY ones that we know for certain have come to us from God!
 
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