How Many Of You Still Believe...

[KenH]

What you lived through, read and watched is a fairytale.

You made the claim. Now prove it. But, of course, you can't.

Also, I am starting to think you may just be pulling everyone's leg.

 

[KenH]

Of course I have lied in my life as you have and everyone else. That doesn't excuse a colossal fraud perpetrated against the world. And it is still maintained to this day.

Then what can't we assume you are lying now, eh, especially as nonsensical and detached from reality as the claim you are making is?

 

[KenH]

The moon walker myth, the Easter Bunny and Santa are all of the same cloth.

There are people who claim that God is a fairytale. Are you in their camp, too?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

George W. Bush in 2003 said "We will put a man on the moon by 2020."

 

[RipponRedeaux]

There are people who claim that God is a fairytale. Are you in their camp, too?

Don't pretend that you are ignorant.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Then what can't we assume you are lying now, eh, especially as nonsensical and detached from reality as the claim you are making is?

I am firmly attached to reality. I believe in truth-telling no matter how hard the pill is to gulp down.

 

[KenH]

Don't pretend that you are ignorant.

You're the one on this board spouting nonsense. Maybe your nonsensical thinking applies to whether you believe that God exists.

 

[KenH]

I am firmly attached to reality. I believe in truth-telling no matter how hard the pill is to gulp down.

Obviously not since you are saying that the moon landings did not take place.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Gotta link?

His speech was made on 1/14/04 in Washington D.C. "President Bush delivers remarks on U.S. Space Policy."

 

[Salty]

...that there were manned moon landings from July of 1969 to December of 1972?

Why do you believe it to be the case?

Because Wiki says it happened

 

[Cathode]

They, who is 'they' exactly?

Well I think we all know who “ they “ are, unless you don’t have clearance. In that case it’s classified.

 

[KenH]

His speech was made on 1/14/04 in Washington D.C. "President Bush delivers remarks on U.S. Space Policy."

What President Bush said does not make the point you seem to be trying to bend it to make.


"To that end, the White House is working on a plan to refocus Nasa on "interplanetary human flight" in the wake of February's Columbia shuttle disaster.

If the lunar option is chosen, the president could make a declaration as early as December 17, when he is due to commemorate the centenary of the aeroplane, or it might be left until next year's state of the union address to Congress.

Such a speech would echo President Kennedy's resonant pledge in 1962 to put a man on the moon and Mr Bush is reported to be seeking his "Kennedy moment".

The president's advisers must be hoping that when the moment comes, it does not remind Americans of the president's father.

In a 1989 speech, he promised a return to the moon as a launching pad for further exploration of the solar system. The idea was quickly torpedoed by Congress when it looked at the $400bn (£232bn) price tag."

- rest at Bush's big idea: put a man on the moon | Space | The Guardian

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Moon Landings Faked? Filmmaker Says Not!

Writer/director S G Collins of Postwar Media debunks every theory that the Apollo Moon landings could have been faked in a studio. The filmmaker takes a look at the video technology of the late 1960's, showing alleged fraud was simply not possible. -- Apollo 11 Moon Landing Site Seen in Unprecedented Detail: https://www.space.com/14874-apollo-11...

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Obviously not since you are saying that the moon landings did not take place.

You believe in lies. But you have lots of company.

 

[KenH]

You believe in lies. But you have lots of company.

If anyone is believing a lie in this thread, sir, it is you.

And with this post, I am done with this thread. I hope that you leave the fantasy world in your mind and enter reality someday.

Have a nice rest of the day!

 

[RipponRedeaux]

How many people working on the Manhattan Project knew about the real intentions of the project? Very few.

With respect to NASA and the so-called moon landings deal very few of the thousands working on it knew of the real con. Do you think that hundreds of thousands of low-level employees were in the know regarding the Top-Secret Project?
People were making a module hatch. gloves or boots of a spacesuit. Do you think they would be told to be hush-hush about the fraud? No way. The CEOs at the top knew what was really going on. Not even managers had the inside scoop.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The space race was a very long road to putting a man on the moon. But it was nothing compared to what going to Mars would entail. The expense would be astronomical.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

If anyone is believing a lie in this thread, sir, it is you.

And with this post, I am done with this thread. I hope that you leave the fantasy world in your mind and enter reality someday.

Have a nice rest of the day!

I am disappointed in your ungodly conduct. You quote worthy authors all the time. And I agree in the main with the content. And yet you turn around as a hypocrite would, and besmirch me as if I was not a Christian. And that is against the rules of the BB. And on top of that you pretend that you are unaware of all my posts dealing with biblical content. Shame rests on your head.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

The Van Allen Radiation Belts would preclude any human surviving space travel beyond earth orbit (rough 250 or so miles above the earth's surface).

The Apollo spacecraft had only a paper-thin aluminum radiation shielding. There was no way that humans traveling above earth orbit and through the Van Allen Belt could survive.

NASA engineer Kelly Smith :"We will pass through the Van Allen Belts --an area of dangerous radiation. We must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."

ASAF Terry Virts "Right now we can only fly in earth orbit, that is the farthest we can go."


The Apollo astronauts did not go to the moon. They never went beyond earth orbit. If they somehow would have made it past earth orbit they would have been fried to death due to the extreme radiation.

 

[kyredneck]

The Van Allen Radiation Belts would preclude any human surviving space travel beyond earth orbit (rough 250 or so miles above the earth's surface).

"8.1 How come the Van Allen radiation belts didn’t kill the astronauts?

IN A NUTSHELL: Because these belts are not as deadly as they’re often made out to be and also because they’re belts, so you can fly around them. Russian spaceflights flew animals through them without problems. NASA also conducted sensor-laden uncrewed test flights to measure the effectiveness of the shielding of the Apollo command module. The trajectories of all the moonshots were calculated to fly around the core of these donut-shaped belts and pass rapidly through their less intense outer portions. The astronauts on the International Space Station periodically pass through parts of these belts and they don’t die.

THE DETAILS: Many Moon hoax proponents claim that any crewed lunar mission would be impossible due to the allegedly lethal barrier of the Van Allen belts, two regions of radiation that wrap around the Earth at distances that can vary according to solar activity but are roughly located between 100 and 10,000 kilometers (62 to 6,200 miles) for the more intense inner belt and between 18,000 and 60,000 kilometers (11,100 to 37,000 miles) for the weaker outer belt (Figure 8.1-1).

Vintage technical literature on the subject (for example the papers listed in the References chapter of this book) shows that the potential danger posed by the Van Allen belts was well-known when the lunar missions flew, since the belts had been discovered in 1958 by United States physicist James Van Allen (1914-2006). The issue was considered perfectly manageable with a few precautions, as described in the January 1969 report Radiation Plan for the Apollo Lunar Mission.

The estimates made by the experts proved to be correct: in 1968, the Soviet space probe Zond 5 flew through the Van Allen belts to carry around the Moon several living creatures, which returned unharmed from their voyage.

For the Apollo missions, exposure during the crossing of the Van Allen belts was calculated and measured by means of uncrewed test flights: specifically, Apollo 6 (April 1968) carried into Earth orbit an Apollo capsule equipped with instruments for measuring the capability of the spacecraft to block the radiation from the belts. It was found that the exposure was comparable to the effects of a few medical X-rays and therefore was quite tolerable for short periods.

The very first human beings to fly beyond the Van Allen belts were the astronauts of Apollo 8. According to NASA’s Biomedical Results of Apollo report (1975), over the course of the entire flight Lovell, Borman and Anders accumulated a radiation dose of 1.6 millisieverts. This is the equivalent of about twenty chest X-rays and is therefore far from being immediately lethal as some conspiracy theorists argue.

In other words, the actual level of risk entailed by the Van Allen belts was well-known and tested long before the Moon landings.

Moreover, the Apollo 11 Mission Report notes that the total radiation dose measured by the dosimeters worn by the astronauts during the trip was between 2.5 and 2.8 millisieverts. The Van Allen-specific dosimeter detected doses of 1.1 millisieverts for the skin and 0.8 millisieverts for the depth reading, well below medically significant values.

For comparison, according to the US National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurement the annual average radiation dose per person in the United States is 6.2 millisieverts; 52% of this is of natural origin.

We don’t have to take NASA’s word about the Van Allen belts. There is clear consensus in the science community on the matter, as shown for example by the article The Van Allen Belts and Travel to the Moon by Bill Wheaton (2000), specialist in gamma ray astronomy at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL).

Wheaton provides objective data regarding radiation in space and specifically in the Van Allen belts. It turns out that the data published by NASA on this subject must be true, otherwise today’s automatic satellites would be fried, since they fly through the belts and their equipment, if not shielded adequately against radiation, will malfunction.

James Van Allen, from whom the belts get their name, had already stressed, as early as 1960 in the article On the Radiation Hazards of Space Flight, that these belts don’t encase the entire planet from pole to pole, but form a sort of donut that fades in intensity from approximately 30° above and below the Earth’s equator. Therefore, to fly around them or pass through their weaker regions it is sufficient to use an adequately inclined trajectory, which is what all the Apollo spacecraft did, both on the way to the Moon and on the way home (Figure 8.1-2).

Records show that Apollo 11’s transit through the Van Allen belts lasted a total of 90 minutes, flying around the region of maximum intensity in about ten minutes.

The South Atlantic Anomaly

Many conspiracy theorists and doubters who claim that the Van Allen belts are an impassable barrier are unaware of a fact that undermines their argument completely: the astronauts of the International Space Station periodically fly through a protrusion of these belts known as the South Atlantic Anomaly.

The Van Allen belts aren’t as clear-cut and uniformly arranged as often shown in schematic illustrations. Over the South Atlantic they reach far closer to Earth than their average distance from the planet (Figures 8.1-3 and 8.1-4). They actually encroach the orbit of the Space Station, approximately 400 kilometers (250 miles) from the Earth’s surface, and reach down to an altitude of just 200 kilometers (125 miles).

Accordingly, the Station passes through this region of the Van Allen belts every time it flies over the South Atlantic, as it does periodically in its highly inclined orbit (51.6°) with respect to the Earth’s equator. If the belts were as lethal as conspiracy theorists claim, the occupants of the Space Station would die on board, since they cross this region many times during their six-month or year-long missions, whereas the Apollo astronauts crossed the outer regions of the belts only twice per mission.

The shielding of the Space Station greatly reduces the exposure of the astronauts to the high-energy particles of the Van Allen belts, but it doesn’t protect the external TV cameras of the Station, which often broadcast live on the Internet. This produces a weird phenomenon: since electronic components can be affected by the charged particles of the belts, their effects on the sensors of these TV cameras can be watched live, as shown in the videos of Figures 8.1-5 and 8.1-6, which give the impression of snow falling at night...." more...MOON HOAX: DEBUNKED!: 8.1 How come the Van Allen radiation belts didn’t kill the astronauts? (moonhoaxdebunked.com)