How Marijuana Legalization in America is Destroying Mexican Drug Cartel Business

[poncho]

Nothing is more amusing (and sad) than when I see some ignorant out of stater commenting about how nightmarish the legalization of marijuana has been for Colorado. The most high-profile and hilarious example of this came from disgraced New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who I have criticized sharply on several occasions, here, here and here.He foolishly spouted some hysterical nonsense last month when he said:

“See if you want to live in a major city in Colorado, where there’s head shops popping up on every corner and people flying into your airport just to come and get high. To me, it’s just not the quality of life we want to have here in the state of New Jersey and there’s no tax revenue that’s worth that.”

Honestly, what planet does this clown live on? As someone who actually lives in Colorado, I can tell you that the only thing that has changed since legalization is that there is a greater sense of freedom and people are no longer getting arrested in droves for non-violent drug possession charges. Let’s not forget that the police arrest someone every two seconds in America, many of which are for mere drug possession charges. Apparently, Christie thinks this is a good thing and ultimately results in this mythical wonderful “quality of life” that apparently exists in some corner of New Jersey where rainbow farting unicorns roam the countryside.

As someone who spent nearly three decades in the New York metro area, and who has lived in Colorado now for over three years, I can tell you there’s no comparison. I’ve met many, many people who have intentionally left New Jersey for Colorado, yet I’ve never met a single person who has intentionally left Colorado for New Jersey. Perhaps that person exists and is currently flying back east on his unicorn and is therefore unavailable for comment.

Anyway, while we are on the topic, the Huffington Post posted a great article comparing the two states. They note:

Read More At: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2014/05/14/how-marijuana-legalization-in-america-is-destroying-mexican-drug-cartel-business/

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

As someone who was once addicted to drugs, especially pot:
It's a horrible thing to legalize it.

That's like legalizing murder.

I don't care if it causes the Cartels to lose business.

Seriously this post makes me pretty upset and angry from the standpoint that your implying it's a good thing that we legalized something that is destroying people's lives and damning them to hell.

This is ungodly and wrong.

"make no provision for the flesh"

 

[Gina B]

Jordan, please remind me because I forget. Are you one that is also against making alcohol illegal, or are you okay with alcohol as a legal drug?

 

[poncho]

As someone who was once addicted to drugs, especially pot:
It's a horrible thing to legalize it.

That's like legalizing murder.

I don't care if it causes the Cartels to lose business.

Seriously this post makes me pretty upset and angry from the standpoint that your implying it's a good thing that we legalized something that is destroying people's lives and damning them to hell.

This is ungodly and wrong.

"make no provision for the flesh"

I'm kind of at loss to understand your position on this Jordan. The last time we talked you were saying "there is nothing we can about it" so we should ignore the problem but now you seem to be saying the opposite.

I see no reason to have any further discussions with you until you take part in the thread I started just for you after you derailed another thread of mine. Here's the link again.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93398

Why Legalize Drugs?

We believe that drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families. We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths.

http://www.leap.cc/about/why-legalize-drugs/

My question to other readers is a simple one . . . who would you rather be in control of the global drug trade, criminal gangs thugs and murderers or the government?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Jordan, please remind me because I forget. Are you one that is also against making alcohol illegal, or are you okay with alcohol as a legal drug?

no i Don't think it's right for alcohol to be legal.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I'm kind of at loss to understand your position on this Jordan. The last time we talked you were saying "there is nothing we can about it" so we should ignore the problem but now you seem to be saying the opposite.

I see no reason to have any further discussions with you until you take part in the thread I started just for you after you derailed another thread of mine. Here's the link again.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93398

Why Legalize Drugs?

We believe that drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

We believe that by eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. We believe that sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families. We believe that in a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. And we believe that by placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths.

http://www.leap.cc/about/why-legalize-drugs/

My question to other readers is who would you rather be in control of the global drug trade criminal gangs thugs and murderers or the government?

Can you please quote me or link to me where I said the words "Theres nothing we can do about it"

You are misrepresenting what I was saying that day.

 

[poncho]

Can you please quote me or link to me where I said the words "Theres nothing we can do about it"

You are misrepresenting what I was saying that day.

Sure in the appropriate thread. This thread is on a different topic.

If you wish to answer my simple question in this thread than please do. If not then . . . take it to the other thread.

 

[poncho]

Cop Says Legalizing Drugs Will Protect Kids from Gangs

Neill Franklin, a former Baltimore narcotics cops, says that legalizing and regulating drugs would make society - especially kids - safer. Neill is a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, which anyone can join for free at:

http://www.leap.cc/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepSzjFdCMs

 

[Gina B]

no i Don't think it's right for alcohol to be legal.

Cool beans. I'll have to remember to pay attention to your posts. :thumbs:

 

[Inspector Javert]

Nothing is more amusing (and sad) than when I see some ignorant out of stater commenting about how nightmarish the legalization of marijuana has been for Colorado.

Just give it some time....
Colorado will change it's tune.

Honestly, what planet does this clown live on? As someone who actually lives in Colorado, I can tell you that the only thing that has changed since legalization is that there is a greater sense of freedom and people are no longer getting arrested in droves for non-violent drug possession charges.

He lives on a planet where you can look to places such as the Netherlands to see what types of problems they have been dealing with over time such as the ones spoken of here:

..."Pot tourists who crossed the border to visit the cafes and made a nuisance of themselves by snarling traffic, dumping litter and even urinating in the streets."
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/while-u...n-netherlands-cracks-down-with-mixed-success/

This is precisely what Christie is referring to.

What Colorado will soon find is a zillion out-of-staters flooding to the State for the sole purpose of getting high....and apparently peeing in the streets and causing a general raucous.

:love2:sounds like a dream come true....:thumbsup: :flower:

 

[poncho]

LEAP's Peter Christ' "animated" talk on why Prohibition Doesn't Work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeU-nlcjvxE

Cops and church group confront the war on drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlzcdHbsEYk

Cops and Clergy talk about the war on drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu9kTxsX2HY

 

[poncho]

Children and the War on Drugs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ241khadYA#t=67

Christians and Cops Say Legalize Drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxtXW_edjqI

Cops Contradict Holder: Legalizing Drugs Will Save Lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGEqIXEcnmU

 

[Revmitchell]

I can tell you that the only thing that has changed since legalization is that there is a greater sense of freedom and people are no longer getting arrested in droves for non-violent drug possession charges.

What they were arrested for was because they chose to break the law. Violent or non violent if you break the law then you have no excuse or gripe.,

 

[Gina B]

IJ, your posts are usually very logical, but that last one is really stretching - any area with tourists has issues with traffic and trash, and I have no clue about the peeing thing, but it made me giggle! I've traveled a lot, and have occasionally had emergencies that forced me to go in places outside of a restroom either because everything was closed/not open for public use at that time of night, or it was day and in a city where you had to purchase something to use a restroom, and I wasn't familiar with where to go otherwise. When you gotta go, you gotta go!
I can't imagine a sudden, tragic issue of people peeing in the streets because marijuana became legal, and the cited article shows it wasn't legalized there in the same way as Colorado, so it wouldn't make sense to try to compare the two.

 

[Inspector Javert]

IJ, your posts are usually very logical, but that last one is really stretching - any area with tourists has issues with traffic and trash, and I have no clue about the peeing thing, but it made me giggle! I've traveled a lot, and have occasionally had emergencies that forced me to go in places outside of a restroom either because everything was closed/not open for public use at that time of night, or it was day and in a city where you had to purchase something to use a restroom, and I wasn't familiar with where to go otherwise. When you gotta go, you gotta go!
I can't imagine a sudden, tragic issue of people peeing in the streets because marijuana became legal, and the cited article shows it wasn't legalized there in the same way as Colorado, so it wouldn't make sense to try to compare the two.

I didn't write the article, and it isn't my argument...
According to the article I posted, the Dutch seem to believe that this "drug-tourism" has caused them problems to the extent that they are tightening their restrictions of legal marijuana.

You'll have to take it up with them.

Poncho was scoffing at Chris Christie's argument that legalization of marijuana in New Jersey could result in unwanted "drug-tourism" involving people flocking there simply to get high.....
Do you know how quickly you can get from New York City to New Jersey?
How many thousands of people will go from a city like N.Y. to New Jersey (and all for the SOLE purpose of doing drugs?)

Probably tens of thousands on a daily basis.

I posted an article which submits that the Dutch (who presumably know more than anyone the results of long-term legalized pot use)...that those are genuine concerns:

Poncho can't imagine it because in the 16 seconds marijuana has been legal in Colorado he thinks that there will be no un-forseen consequences....
The Dutch appear to claim otherwise, you'll have to take it up with them......it isn't MY argument, I'd have never thought of it on my own.

I'm pretty sure that people "peeing in the middle of the street" in a city like Maastricht isn't an emergency pull-over by the side of I-10 without a bathroom in sight.
There are bathrooms in Maastricht....you'd never need to pee in the middle of a crowded street there, it's a big city.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The premise of this thread is a truckload of horse hockey, and I'm talking eighteen-wheeler sized truck.

Fox News (1/11/14): Colorado pot shops likely targets of cartels, say expertshttp://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/11/colorado-pot-shops-likely-targets-cartels-say-experts/http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/11/colorado-pot-shops-likely-targets-cartels-say-experts/

As the smoke settles from the first week of legal marijuana sales in Colorado, experts are warning that sanctioned pot dealers could become targets for the very folks they put out of business.

Taking over a trade once ruled by drug cartels and turning it into an all-cash business could make pot shops prime targets for extortion, black-market competition and robbery. One veteran border narcotics agent told FoxNews.com Colorado's legal pot industry will find it hard to keep the criminals from horning in on a lucrative business they once controlled.

And less than a month later ...

CNBC (2/5/14): Robber gangs terrorize Colorado pot shopshttp://www.cnbc.com/id/101391433http://www.cnbc.com/id/101391433

One thief, posing as a delivery man, pulled a can of bear mace on employees and ransacked their marijuana shop, fleeing in a defensive cloud of "ultra-pepper" spray. Another opened the wall of a dispensary with an ax and attacked the store's safe with a circular saw. Still another stuck to the basics. He kicked in the front door and pointed his gun at the counterman. An accomplice kicked in the back door and filled a duffel bag with more than $10,000 worth of high-quality cannabis.

For weeks now, the Mile High state has allowed the sale of recreational pot to adults, and so far the Rockies still stand. But crimes like the ones above, all of which occurred in Colorado in the last six months, have produced an acid-drip of anxiety in the industry, highlighting the dangers faced by those hoping to drag America's most popular illegal drug into the light. Because marijuana remains banned by Congress, banks and security firms deny services to most dispensaries. That leaves them cash-based and vulnerable, a magnet for criminals who like the idea of unguarded counting rooms and shelves lined with lucrative horticulture.

Advocates for legalized marijuana and "medical marijuana" -- the biggest joke of a description ever invented -- are too steeped in the pot mentality (not to mention their own high) to look at the facts:

• Marijuana is a dangerous Schedule I drug that needs to remain illegal.
• Marijuana is more likely to cause lung cancer than cigarettes.
• Marijuana causes genetic disorders in children, even if parents stopped smoking before conception.
• Marijuana causes anxiety, paranoia, loss of motivation and concentration.
• Marijuana has virtually known known nor provable medical benefit whatsoever.

Study after study after study has proven these and other facts about marijuana, and yet the advocates for legalization continue to lie, obsfuscate and deny. If you want to smoke marijuana, fine. Don't endanger my grandkids and their friends by making people think this dangerous drug is "safe." It isn't.

 

[poncho]

Who would you rather be in control of the global drug trade, criminal gangs thugs and murderers or the government?

Watch and see how far they'll go out of their way to not answer this question. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Who would you rather be in control of the global drug trade, criminal gangs thugs and murderers or the government?

You mean the very government that you allege is controlled by corrupt corporations, bought-and-sold politicians, and sinister bureaucrats unbeholden to anyone? That government? The one you are always claiming needs to be brought down in favor of, at best 1)anarchy or worse, 2) Marxism?? That government???

:BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:

 

[poncho]

Still watching?

 

[Gina B]

Who would you rather be in control of the global drug trade, criminal gangs thugs and murderers or the government?

Watch and see how far they'll go out of their way to not answer this question. :smilewinkgrin:

I don't understand why it wouldn't just be a simple answer. ? You have me curious now...