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How often do people really use guns in self-defense

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Revmitchell

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Who is the Commander-in-Chief? Whose orders do they follow? I understand chain of command. Are you in denial?

They will not follow unlawful orders from the President or anyone else. It is illegal to use the military against Americans within the boundaries of the US. As a former Marine and Military police I can tell you it will not happen.
 

Salty

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God ordains both North Korea as well as the US as his government on earth. We as Christians are to live such good lives as to not face any judgment by law enforcement. Our only exemption is when the government makes laws that require Christians to break God's 10 moral laws. God's laws supercede the laws of men.
That being said, if man writes a law saying no guns for civilians... that is a law that Christians must obey or they are rebelling against God. (Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2)

So when Brother Andrew was breaking laws in many countries by smuggling religious literature as well as Bibles into Communists countries - .....

Andrew van der Bijl - Wikipedia
 

AustinC

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So when Brother Andrew was breaking laws in many countries by smuggling religious literature as well as Bibles into Communists countries - .....

Andrew van der Bijl - Wikipedia
Perhaps you missed this sentence from my post, which you quoted.

Our only exemption is when the government makes laws that require Christians to break God's 10 moral laws. God's laws supercede the laws of men.
 

AustinC

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They will not follow unlawful orders from the President or anyone else. It is illegal to use the military against Americans within the boundaries of the US. As a former Marine and Military police I can tell you it will not happen.
When people refuse to obey the laws of the land and fight against the laws, those people will be deemed as terrorists and law enforcement will bring them to justice. Waco is a good example.
 

JonC

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I agree, a gun is a tool. As I have said, it is a tool for one purpose...to kill a living being created by God.
God has given government the right to execute justice. I do not see where God endorses vigilante actions.

My brush is meant to convict any believer who trusts in their gun to protect them. My brush is meant to convict the believer who harbors rebellion against God's ordained government as an option for Christians to participate in.
Wait.....I own guns. But not for the purpose of killing people or hunting animals.

So I seem to fall within your brush stroke even though I do not rely on firearms for self defense (I don't not carry a gun, either).
 

canadyjd

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Who is the Commander-in-Chief? Whose orders do they follow? I understand chain of command. Are you in denial?
They are sworn to obey LAWFUL orders. It is against federal law to use the military against civilians.

peace to you
 

Revmitchell

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When people refuse to obey the laws of the land and fight against the laws, those people will be deemed as terrorists and law enforcement will bring them to justice. Waco is a good example.

It is against the law to use the military on Americans within the United States. Even if it were not against the law the majority of our military personnel will not go against Americans. Plain and simple. Now all of you liberals might want to use the military agains Americans and redefine what a terrorist is to accomplish that goal but the troops will not buy it. I know this for a fact.
 

canadyjd

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When people refuse to obey the laws of the land and fight against the laws, those people will be deemed as terrorists and law enforcement will bring them to justice. Waco is a good example.
WACO was justice? How many children were burned alive by the DOJ?

Karesh went jogging every morning. They could have apprehended him at anytime prior to the raid, but chose to do a “media event” to demonstrate their power. When that went wrong, they burned children alive.

There is a great documentary on the raid. You should watch it then come back and tell us how much justice was done.

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canadyjd

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When people refuse to obey the laws of the land and fight against the laws, those people will be deemed as terrorists and law enforcement will bring them to justice. Waco is a good example.
And yet, when antifa and blm were burning cities in the “mostly peaceful protests”, how many libs were calling for “justice”, arrest, convictions, jail time? Not many., they did every thing they could to excuse criminal behavior.

Justice is not justice unless it is blind to politics and race.. We haven’t seen much of that lately.

Peace to you
 

JonC

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It is against the law to use the military on Americans within the United States. Even if it were not against the law the majority of our military personnel will not go against Americans. Plain and simple. Now all of you liberals might want to use the military agains Americans and redefine what a terrorist is to accomplish that goal but the troops will not buy it. I know this for a fact.
Yes, the military cannot act against Americans on American soil.

Until December 2021 this applied only to the Army and Air Force, but President Biden expanded this to apply to the Marine Corps, the Space Force, and Navy as well.

What is excluded is the Coast Guard and the National Guard under state authorization.
 

canadyjd

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When people refuse to obey the laws of the land and fight against the laws, those people will be deemed as terrorists and law enforcement will bring them to justice. Waco is a good example.
Please explain how burning children alive in WACO is a a “good example” of the government bringing justice. Please oh please explain!

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JesusFan

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Please explain how burning children alive in WACO is a a “good example” of the government bringing justice. Please oh please explain!

peace to you
Or when the federal govt was unleashing attack dogs and fire hoses on black children?
 

Conan

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God ordains both North Korea as well as the US as his government on earth. We as Christians are to live such good lives as to not face any judgment by law enforcement. Our only exemption is when the government makes laws that require Christians to break God's 10 moral laws. God's laws supercede the laws of men.
That being said, if man writes a law saying no guns for civilians... that is a law that Christians must obey or they are rebelling against God. (Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2)
No. All laws are bound to the United States Constitution. They cannot legally violate it. All laws are subject to it. If they pass a law that violates free speach then that law is invalid. If they pass laws denying law abiding citizens the Right to Keep and Bare Arms then the law is invalid. The Supreme Court should stike it down. I did obey the law during clint0ns godless assault weapons ban because I had no choice, but thanks be to God the godless thing sunseted. If they violate the United States Constitution then they are breaking the law.
 

JonC

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It is illegal to use the military against Americans within the boundaries of the US. As a former Marine and Military police I can tell you it will not happen.
Ironically it is President Biden who extended the law to make it illegal to deploy the US Marine Corps on US soil.
 

AustinC

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No. All laws are bound to the United States Constitution. They cannot legally violate it. All laws are subject to it. If they pass a law that violates free speach then that law is invalid. If they pass laws denying law abiding citizens the Right to Keep and Bare Arms then the law is invalid. The Supreme Court should stike it down. I did obey the law during clint0ns godless assault weapons ban because I had no choice, but thanks be to God the godless thing sunseted. If they violate the United States Constitution then they are breaking the law.
Agreed that the Constitution is the final decision. The question is what types of arms do citizens have the right to bear. The government already restricts many types of arms.
 

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