How Old Was Adam????

[percho]

What are you saying?
I don’t think I understand your questions.
Please clarify. I don’t want to put words in your mouth.
If I have to I’ll tell you what I think it says, but for the sake of staying on track, I’d rather just let you clarify.

I asked if Eve could have been with child, as was the virgin Mary, when Eve was taken from the man as betrothed to/for him?

I ask this knowing that redemption had already been foreordained which would come through childbirth.

Could the need for for redemption and redemption have come through childbirth.

From Matt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:

Was that in bold absolutely necessary in order for redemption to come through, thou shall call his name Jesus.

 

[Ascetic X]

I asked if Eve could have been with child, as was the virgin Mary, when Eve was taken from the man as betrothed to/for him?

I ask this knowing that redemption had already been foreordained which would come through childbirth.

Could the need for for redemption and redemption have come through childbirth.

From Matt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:

Was that in bold absolutely necessary in order for redemption to come through, thou shall call his name Jesus.

A good question, but there is no indication that Cain was a virgin birth of Eve. Only Jesus was a virgin birth. God commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce. But does replenish mean there was some kind of possibly humanoid or other type of population on earth prior to Adam and Eve?

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.

 

[percho]

A good question, but there is no indication that Cain was a virgin birth of Eve. Only Jesus was a virgin birth. God commanded Adam and Eve to reproduce. But does replenish mean there was some kind of possibly humanoid or other type of population on earth prior to Adam and Eve?

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.

I have gotten a man from the LORD

What do you think she meant by, from the LORD?

Do you think she had 3:15 in mind?

BTW I am just kicking thoughts around.

 

[Ben1445]

I asked if Eve could have been with child, as was the virgin Mary, when Eve was taken from the man as betrothed to/for him?

I don’t think so.

I ask this knowing that redemption had already been foreordained which would come through childbirth.

Could the need for for redemption and redemption have come through childbirth.

From Matt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son:

Was that in bold absolutely necessary in order for redemption to come through, thou shall call his name Jesus.

It is necessary because “the Lord Himself shall give you a sign.” Isaiah 7:14

But for that, there is no way to say that Jesus is of God and not made after the likeness of Adam in sin.

 

[Ben1445]

I have gotten a man from the LORD

What do you think she meant by, from the LORD?

Do you think she had 3:15 in mind?

BTW I am just kicking thoughts around.

She could very well have.

 

[Ascetic X]

I have gotten a man from the LORD

What do you think she meant by, from the LORD?

Do you think she had 3:15 in mind?

BTW I am just kicking thoughts around.

Could Eve have been ignorant of how human reproduction works?

Did she feel she was similar to God by producing a male?

Or did she just express gratitude to God for helping her with the pains of childbirth?

NIV Genesis 4:1

Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man."

 

[Ascetic X]

I don’t think so.


It is necessary because “the Lord Himself shall give you a sign.” Isaiah 7:14

But for that, there is no way to say that Jesus is of God and not made after the likeness of Adam in sin.

Jesus was not made in sin. He was sinless.

 

[percho]

Jesus was not made in sin. He was sinless.

Agreed yet he did come in the likeness of sinful flesh.

 

[Ben1445]

Agreed yet he did come in the likeness of sinful flesh.

Semantically, I would argue the point. He came in the likeness of men, not in the likeness of sinning men.

 

[Ascetic X]

Agreed yet he did come in the likeness of sinful flesh.

However it was that the Holy Spirit caused Mary to be pregnant, there was no sin in the blood of Jesus.

The Bible asserts that Jesus was Mary's biological son, yet He was without sin. So yes, Mary's egg was miraculously fertilized when Jesus was conceived. The concept of the virgin conception can be traced back to Genesis 3:15.

In this passage, God announces enmity between the serpent (later identified as Satan) and the woman, as well as between their respective seeds. The prophecy implies that a specific seed—a biological descendant of Eve, but not of Adam—would ultimately defeat the serpent.

Following this, the prophecy in Isaiah states that a virgin would conceive a child. This prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus, who was conceived in and born of Mary while she was still a virgin (Matthew 1:20-23).

 

[Salty]

I asked if Eve could have been with child, ... when Eve was taken from the man as betrothed to/for him?

If Eve was with child when God created her - then Cain (& possibly Able) would have been born free of sin. Thus the first Sin of Adam & Eve would not have been passed on to Cain until he (they) would have sinned themselves. Thus it is inconvincible that Eve was PG with Cain.

 

[Rodger]

Cain and Abel were the first children. But the Bible in no way at all gives us the age of Adam and Eve when they became parents.

I'm not understanding your assertion that he was 128?

Scripture says that Adam begot Seth when he was 130. Seth was the 3rd child. I was assuming that Eve was pregant with Cain for 1 year and Abel 1 year. Assuming that to be the case then we come to 128.

I just wonder why it took all of those years to start a family OR is there another meaning here for that time frame maybe a very long time.

 

[Rodger]

Well, think about this.

All I can say is what the Bible says.

The Bible says in Genesis 4:1 that Adam and Eve had marital relations, and she conceived and she bore Cain. Genesis 4:2 says that she bore again. and had Abel. That's twins.

One conception, two births = twins.

Genesis 25 - Jacob and Esau - ONE conception, two births. Twins.

Genesis 29 - Leah, the unloved had six sons with Jacob - SIX conceptions directly stated and six sons.

Genesis 38 - Judah and Tamar only slept together once. One conception. Two births. Twins.

It's quite possible that Cain and Abel were twins. And maybe they weren't. But it makes you think.

With all due respect, I do not agree. I have heard that idea before but as you said....all we can do is what the Bible says and the Bible does not say that Cain and Abel were twins.

If we go down that road of "reading into the Scripture what we want them to say".....then we could then say that when Eve had Cain she also had Abel and a girl= Triplets and that girl wound up being Cain wife when he went to the land of Nod.

 

[Rodger]

I suddenly realize we do not know how old Adam was when Cain was born.

That is exactly what I said! We do not know! That brings into question the argument of Old Creation verses New Creation.

 

[Rodger]

Not the way it is used there

The word יוֹם (yom)** has a range of meanings, including:
A 24‑hour day
Daylight (as opposed to night)
An indefinite period of time (like “in my grandfather’s day”)
A season or era

 

[Rodger]

I will be the same age in the new heaven and new earth for all eternity that I am when I die or get raptured???

I sure hope not! I hope my new resurrection body will be closer to what I looked like at age 25.

Since there is no time in eternity, aborted babies will not grow into adulthood. They will likely also be age 25 (or thereabouts) in appearance in the new heaven and new earth.

1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJV) “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

To be known in heaven, Face to face, we must then be recoginized then as we are know now

 

[Rodger]

It was a joke

I have a fun time arguing with myself about literal days versus periods of time… you see both in Gen 1 and 2

Love ya!

 

[JonC]

And if not....why not as there are NO Scriptures to contridict that idea.

I can answer this one (not the other stuff). We cannot look to Scripture to prove a negative (e.g., if Eve was not a redhead then why are there no passages contradicting the idea).

We do not know how old Adam was when Eve gave birth to Cain, and later to Able. Scripture does not say.

We know Adam was 130 when Seth was born and that Seth was born after Able (the younger of Adam's first two sons) was old enough to own and tend livestock.

So Adam and Eve did not wait 128 years to have a child. Presumably Able was an adult, as was his older brother, when he was killed (before Seth was born). And some amount of time passed (Adam viewed God as giving him Seth for the son he had lost).

 

[JonC]

Genesis 5:3 says Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born, after Cain killed Abel.

Because Seth was born after Abel’s death and after Cain’s exile, Cain and Abel must have been born sometime before Adam was 130—but the text does not narrow it further.

Now the question is.......How old was Adam when He was Created? "ALL" theologians describe Adam as “apparent age”—meaning Adam looked like an adult from the first moment of his existence.

However, there are NO Scriptures that tell us Adams age or time elapsed before he Begat Seth.

I believe Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. Apparent age is not a factor (God created Adam and 130 years later Seth was born).

 

[Ascetic X]

1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJV) “For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”

To be known in heaven, Face to face, we must then be recoginized then as we are know now

No, I am sure we will not receive a resurrected body that looks like we do now, if we are old, bald, wrinkly, with age blemishes and missing teeth.