How should Christians judge America?

[MartyF]

MartyF, you pulled a partial quote out of the portion of the article in history.com I used in my post. The answer, according to their website, is the editors of the article.

I pulled the quote because it got at the heart of the matter. And if your only reply is “because the editors said so”, then I’ve proven my point.

I cannot justify the taking of the Indians land because their culture was not as advanced as others or because they were so few in number.

And this is what you didn’t understand.

The vast majority of “Native Americans” did not own land - they never did. They never had the concept. Stone-age tribes don’t even understand land ownership. Stone-age tribes only understand doing what one wants by force. That’s how they understood things. The Navajo are good example. They attacked the Pueblo and took their land. But when they attacked the white settlers they were defeated and decided to stop fighting in order to prevent their extinction.

Did we take the Navajo’s land? Didn’t the Navajo’s take their land from the Pueblos? Shouldn’t we kick the Navajo’s off their reservation and give it the the Pueblos? Are you seeing how silly this is yet?

Claiming land is not the same as actually owning land - and most Indians never even claimed the land much less owned it.

If you ever owned a large portion of land, you’d know that. Even in today’s time, if someone has a land legacy it takes a tremendous amount of effort to maintain and keep the land and stop someone else from taking it. Look overseas at England. How many “lords” have lost their land?

In application, land ownership is not genetic - never has been. Even the Jews who were given their land claim from God never managed to own all the land they claimed. Ownership of land through genetics is quite possibly the most stupid method of land distribution.

And yes, numbers matter. Even God recognized this when he talked to Moses. The fact that Mexico never truly owned the land they claimed caused them to lose the land. It all had to do with numbers. Is Indonesia, India, China, etc. owned by white settlers? No. Of course not. Why? Because they had the population not only to claim but also to own the land.

But if a land claim is so important to you, I claim the land your house is on. You stole it from my ancestors. I expect a big fat check in the mail.

P.S. I do not agree with what Jackson did to the Cherokee. Many U.S. citizens disagreed with Jackson during that time as well.

 

[agedman]

Two points should be remembered when addressing the OP.

1) America was never a "Christian" nation. It certainly held ideals that were similar to the Judaeo/Christian thinking, but with the exception of a few, the founding fathers were at best deist inclined. The adoption of the Judaeo/Christian line of thinking was because such was considered the highest rational thinking and ideal that famous philosophers of the day considered, yet allowed for refraining from making God personal, but benign and uninvolved.

2) Scripturally, America is, as all without Christ, "condemned already." There is no need to judge for judgement has already been pronounced.

This is an opinion, based on your own definitions.

But for the record, can you please describe what would constitute a Christian nation? That way we have something to compare it to.



By whose decree? Yours? Who made you judge over any, let alone an entire nation?

Actually, it isn’t “my opinion.”

That you consider it as much is displaying your own lack of knowledge and not mine.

“For the record,” from the time Adam and Eve left Eden there has never been a “Christian nation.” If you think me wrong, suggest one, then prove that it was a theocracy in which Christ ruled.

Such will be the millennial kingdom, but that follows a world wide destruction of every other kingdom “of this world becomes the kingdom of the Christ.”

15Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
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The Scriptures give believers the authority to judge. Apparently this has also escaped your understanding.

2 ... do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!
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If one has the thinking that judgement is not already come just as the Scriptures state as, “already condemned,” as the world “groans in its present condemnation,” then that is sad.